It's mind blowing how bad we are. 3 wins out of 16, minus god knows how much points difference. Of those 3 wins rains was a leveller against hull, saints inexplicably gave us a 16 point start otherwise would have won, and huddersfield was a terrible performance in which we sneaked home with a lucky keinhorst try.

It's appalling and the excuses are bullsh*t. Few weeks into the season, yeah sure the injuries and the flooding have disrupted, however months later it doesn't wash.

Unless something changes between now and the middle 8's leeds will be in massive danger of being relegated. Fundamentally things are not right. The players aren't putting in their all and Mcdermott has no clue how to turn their form around.

We are f*cked.

watched them since 1981 - its about time someone took some responsibility for this collapse. I am sick of the same old same old coming out each week. "back to training on Monday and start again" et. Waiting for things to improve of their own accord is NOT the answer - These are no longer defeats each week, these are thrashings!

Make that 6 wins out of 22 since the Challenge Cup win at Wembley, and one of those was a last second win at huddersfield. The helicopter pilot was not happy either ! - lol

Jamie Mathiou, Andy Hay and Joe Vickery would all improve our current team.

Golding does painfully remind me of Joe Vickery

Golding made a quick, elusive run on Friday just a pity he first failed to field the down field kick cleanly and then went into touch unaided before setting off.

Fev getting mullered 37-0 by fax and I'm sure fax fans singing are u rhinos in disguise , Jesus are things really that bad

Fev are Leeds [i'partner club'[/i.

Lay alongside shiyte, you end up rolling in it yourself.

Same applies at Hunslet.

No good comes of aligning yourself alongside GH (Leeds). Fev still have a chance if they get out quick. Too late for Hunslet.

The problem Leeds are going to have in the middle 8's is lack of experience. Widnes, Hull KR and salford all have the experience of battling against the riled up championship teams for survival. Leeds don't, it's a different beast and I imagine it will be difficult for the leeds players, used to competing for titles to be as motivated compared to the championship teams who will be hungry for super league rugby and what will be a huge scalp.

It's also entirely possible leeds won't even play in the million game and will be relegated as a result of league position. All the super league teams have beaten us, and salford are a top 8 team who are only down there because of the point deduction. It's a false reflection of the teams actual ability which by super league standards, is decent. If salford make it to the top 8 then it only means the likes of huddersfield and widnes being in there who have both shown good ability this season. Leeds will probably finish bottom so will have unfavorable away fixtures. That's not even then factoring in the championship teams. When leeds were good in 2014 leigh almost turned them over at headingley in the CC. Then you'll proibably have bradford in there who will no doubt give leeds douzy. The current rabble are potential lambs to slaughter.

Phil Clarke said it against Cas. ''The rhinos are an endangered species''.

You'll find a new gear in the middle 8's.

2nd or 3rd i wouldn't worry.

The championship sides are not good enough, but there is the fact Leeds are the scalp, especially for Bradford, the other 3 will really want to knock off Leeds, but even with the added motivation i still don't think the quality is there.

Leigh/Bradford/London don't have it in their locker.

.......but Batley have the slope & know how to play it.

As it stands it will be Leigh & Bradford away

As it stands it will be Leigh and London away and Bulls and Batley at home wont it?