Wasnt it Gotcha that once stated the very same Keinhorst would never make a superleague player?

Obviously I didn't mean literally, but he seems to be doing well. I think most of our problems are rooted in a soft middle defense. We make a reasonable high first contact, we get 3 or 4 men in the tackle no one on the legs and get carried 10m, and then concede a quick playy the ball with retreating players.

Keinhorst is actually one of our better defenders, and his tackles stick. A middle unit with a few more keinhorsts would certainly do better

Nearly. He said centre, but still said it. And still don't think he would have been anything close with a different coach. However, that said one thing I will never do is bag a player showing such heart and dedication to his team, and he has shown that in abundance.

No, you did say SL player not centre. I remember being a sad bugger for going and finding it please don't make me do it again

I confess to saying Keinhorst wouldn't make it as a SL player probably around the time he was shunted off for a stint at Hunslet on DR i thought that was more than likely to be his level. To be fair, he didn't look much before that stint.

But Keinhorst didn't throw his toys out of the pram like others have. He went away, worked on his game and was determined to take his chance if one came again which he did with both hands last year. I'm really happy for him, and it's no surprise at all to see him as one of the few right now performing at a decent level and putting his hand up and showing some real back bone.He may lack the natural talent of most of his esteemed team mates, but he makes up for that with mental attitude and application in spades.

Who are these? Amor, Gale, McShane, Hood, Baldwinson?....Personally I wouldn't accuse any of them of throwing their toys, considering the selection decisions made.

I wish Walters, Achurch - and quite a few others at the moment - would throw their toys, prams and anything else they can put their hands on in McDermott's direction.

See no reason that Keinhorst would be firmly in the 17 when everyone is fit, he is quite skillful for a second rower and can handle the defensive work
The way things are going though you would say that he should keep his spot at centre (if that is his prefered position) on merit

Nope..second row is his best position (and he should be considered a starting second rower now). He gets exposed on his lack of pace a little too much in the centre position. He is our Ablett MK2.

I wouldn't like to specifically name names as i aren't privy to any goings on directly and would never claim to be, but its clear some who have moved on didn't have the stomach for the fight or to stick around long enough to prove themselves good enough in the long run like Keinhorst has. funny you should mention Amor, Gale and now McShane who have gone on to prove themselves as quality SL players elsewhere.What price Baldwinson doing the same?

There was no way that they could keep Gale at the time , possibly give you Amor although last season he got a fair bit of stick at times from the Saints fans . Mcshane has alot more to do yet before i am convinced , though saying that he is superior to Falloon but so would my Mum

I'm not saying we should have kept the players at the time, just saying they didn't show long term desire to be Leeds players and back their ability to be so while here in the way Keinhorst has. Certainly Gale had his pathway blocked a few years back i get that but is the kind of player we would kill for right now.

What position does she play.

Can anyone tell me what Lilley does any better than McShane did when he was at Leeds, apart from goal-kicking.

I never saw what Lunt did any better than McShane, let alone a half back that can't defend the middle.

Watkins may have good feet but Keinhorst has far better hands and is a more intelligent player with his positioning and lines of running and he has a bigger heart. When Moon is back I would drop Watkins or give him a run at fullback.

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