Not 'spoilt' ...Many expected and were willing to accept a transitional period. Trophies not expected (at least not until and especially when we could see how pish poor the overall standards in SL are this season).

It's the sharp angled decline that is alarming. Rudderless, clueless and devoid of any ideas/structure/bite in defence.

On present performances can't disagree.....but I remember deliberations about how was the better future SO: Sutcliffe or Williams. Sucliffe was playing well up until his injury.

Well if super league is so pish poor now what does that make leeds? You're right about standards though but last season was just as bad made clear by an average leeds side doing the treble and hardaker being the ruddy man of steel

Your the biggest joke oh and where 9th so there teams worse than is

Think leeds fans need to see you dont have the divine right to win everything and everyone how anyone would want rid of a coach who did treble last season ya deluded

I do not think Mac has become a bad coach overnight, however whatever he's doing clearly isn't working. (Players take some responsibility for that too).

I do think coaches only have a certain lifespan where they are effective before they need replacing with a new voice and fresh ideas otherwise a team can plateau.

I think we saw this happen with Bluey, a couple of good years, then we limped through a season and he was quickly replaced with Mac. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened here.

Losing at home to the biggest joke in Super League.'"

ye who laughs last,laughs longest

That's it, you go on and show a bit of class in defeat...

Just can't reach my Wakey top in the wardrobe. Can Mcdermot lend me his bottom lip to stand on.

Thank god. I thought only I believed sutty was over rated. I don't want to overly bash a young kid who I'm sure is trying his best but he is so far out of his depth is silly.

Is McD to blame, yes in some ways as he keeps picking him but what are his other options right now? Sacking McD will not alter our situation at all.

You know when the Rhinos have reached rock bottom when the Wakey fans are taking the P155

God help you if you draw the Bulls in the CC

Has he ever been that good a coach? his finishes are 5th 5th 3rd 6th 1st and it looks like we will be out the top 4 again, we always have a period like this in a season and it is usually up to the players to turn around our form mid game, he always has a problem turning around our form.

Bluey getting sacked for me was an over reaction and he was probably the coach that I enjoyed watching us play under most (maybe the first 2 years of TS), we played good rugby and were consistant, being as good in regular season games as playoffs. 2010 we were trying a new system of playing right at the line and the players imo didnt get long enough to get used to it, when we played a more direct game at the end of the year we probably would have won the GF if Mcguire hadnt gotten injured.

Problem is he would've gotten slagged off if he didn't give "first dibs" to Sutcliffe anyway because too many are obsessed with having academy lads play. Recall many who wanted us to go with Sutcliffe over signing Widdop around 12 months ago.

I'm another who has never got the deal about Sutcliffe and he shouldn't be playing loose either as that should be a big forward.