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Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "We were outnumbered. Wellens went through it with Jon Wells at the big screen. They were two well executed set plays that Saints worked on. Blaming Ablett is daft.'"

It looked that way to me just going off how big a space Ablett was left in. It looked too big. As you say blaming Ablett is silly because if he'd stepped in instead of pushing off he'd be blamed by some for not trusting his inside defenders and creating an overlap for Saints.

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That was our best performance of the season against a top 4 contender off the back of an energy sapping defeat at Wigan. Really great effort from the lads.

Lots of positives to take:
Falloon looks like a great hooker - fantastic kick for ash.
Big big effort from the forwards combining brute force, offloads and great engines.
Sutty's conversions were great.

Just think when we have mags, ward and briscoe back and everyone is up to fitness.

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Thought Handley was excellent.

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Defence was poor again last night but luckily Saints coughed up a lot of ball , as for Ablett just watch the dummy he took at the end when there was no overlap .

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Quote: Fallon "That was our best performance of the season against a top 4 contender off the back of an energy sapping defeat at Wigan. Really great effort from the lads.

Lots of positives to take

Some of the offloading was almost there but still a long way to go before some these guys get to know each other. The concern for me is that there are lots of parts but no glue holding it all together at the moment, especially defensively. Our link players are not really linking.

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Very entertaining to watch if you like your RL of the harem-scarem variety which is OK for this time of year but must have been frustrating for the coaches of both teams.

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Quote: DHM "Some of the offloading was almost there but still a long way to go before some these guys get to know each other. The concern for me is that there are lots of parts but no glue holding it all together at the moment, especially defensively. Our link players are not really linking.'"


All fair points and there is a lot of work to do but credit where it's due, the lads upped a gear last night.

Re your link point, we do need to remember the amount of change since last year and mags being out. If last night was the start of the team gelling and not a flash in the pan the signs are very positive.

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Quote: Him "Ablett went for the man in front of him. He had 2 men in front of him. One running an inside line, one an outside line. He didn't take a dummy. He had 2 men as pass options to choose from.
Also to suggest that try doesn't require skill is disingenuous to both Walsh and Saints as a whole. They had to identify that weakness in Leeds defence at that point and organise a play to exploit it all within a couple of seconds. And then of course run the play and Walsh to pick the right pass.'"


He shouldnt have pushed off to the next man until he was sure the man in front of him was covered on the inside, you learn that as a 13 year old
Like I said, you can excuse him on the first try but on the second 2 we had numbers to stop them if he hadn't pushed off
And if you watch them back the passes were so easy for walsh that walsmsly could have thrown them, you have a man stood right next to you with no one in front of him, similarly his try was made easy when Ablett pushed off
If he jammed in it would have force Turner to make a split second decision that he may have got wrong, and on the second 2 we could have relied on man on man tackling

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Quote: leedsnsouths "He shouldnt have pushed off to the next man until he was sure the man in front of him was covered on the inside, you learn that as a 13 year old
Like I said, you can excuse him on the first try but on the second 2 we had numbers to stop them if he hadn't pushed off
And if you watch them back the passes were so easy for walsh that walsmsly could have thrown them, you have a man stood right next to you with no one in front of him, similarly his try was made easy when Ablett pushed off
If he jammed in it would have force Turner to make a split second decision that he may have got wrong, and on the second 2 we could have relied on man on man tackling'"

You can't wait and look on your inside to see if your defence is there or not. You have to trust that they are. If you don't do that you will cause an overlap on virtually every set of 6.

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Quote: Him "You can't wait and look on your inside to see if your defence is there or not. You have to trust that they are. If you don't do that you will cause an overlap on virtually every set of 6.'"


He shouldnt push off unless he gets a call, for the first try you could say Falloon should have pushed, for the next 2 his man was the one who scored as it was even numbers outside, watch it back

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Quote: leedsnsouths "He shouldnt push off unless he gets a call, for the first try you could say Falloon should have pushed, for the next 2 his man was the one who scored as it was even numbers outside, watch it back'"

On only 1 of the 3 play the balls that Saints scored from did we number correctly.
On the Amor try they had 8 men versus our 5
On the Walsh try they had 6 to our 6.
On the LMS try they had 7 to our 5.

We either numbered up wrong on the long side or didn't get a player out of the tackle quick enough to make another number on the long side. That's why there were huge gaps. Whilst the players obviously talk to each other they can't rely on just hearing a call as to whether to push out or not. They have to use their judgement.
Maybe he made a wrong decision on the Walsh try, but the other 2? The problem lay further infield than Ablett.

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Quote: Him "On only 1 of the 3 play the balls that Saints scored from did we number correctly.
On the Amor try they had 8 men versus our 5
On the Walsh try they had 6 to our 6.
On the LMS try they had 7 to our 5.

We either numbered up wrong on the long side or didn't get a player out of the tackle quick enough to make another number on the long side. That's why there were huge gaps. Whilst the players obviously talk to each other they can't rely on just hearing a call as to whether to push out or not. They have to use their judgement.
Maybe he made a wrong decision on the Walsh try, but the other 2? The problem lay further infield than Ablett.'"


Okay lets just agree to disagree, clearly we were taught different defensive systems as kids, because I still maintain that you deal with the immediate threat first and force them to execute the more difficult play, we did that later in the match and their centre spilled it when they had an overlap

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Whose job is it to get the numbers right?

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Whose job is it to get the numbers right?'"


Full back.

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