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Fully fit i'd go with...
Hardaker
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Sutty Mags
Cuthbo Falloon Garbutt
Ferres Ablett
Ward
Burrow Delaney Galloway Singleton.
Rotation/back up-Jjb Mullally Baldwinson Keinhorst Handley Walters Lilley Golding Achurch.

As we stand injury wise i'd go with..
Hardaker
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Sutty Mags
Singo Falloon Garbutt
Ferres Ablett
Cuthbo
Burrow Delaney Galloway Mullally/Baldwinson

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Back 5 picks itself. Then:
McGuire
Burrow
Galloway
Falloon
Cuthbertson
Ferres
Ablett
Ward
Bench: Lilley, Garbutt, Singo, Delaney

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Quote: The Eagle "With a pack like we have, and the outside backs we have this should offset the loss of the organisational skills of King Kev. A half's job is a lot easier if the pack is going forward. I think that is a pack that will certainly go forward'"


To a large extent, probably, yes. But when has any pack gone forward in every game? I suspect there will be the odd game where similar organisational skills are needed. OTOH I'm not convinced that that will prove beyond McGuire and Sutcliffe.

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Mullally should be in your 17, I was impressed with him
in his stint at Wakefield big lad and carries the ball strongly. He'll be one of your better signings IMO.

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Quote: The Dreadnought "Mullally should be in your 17, I was impressed with him
in his stint at Wakefield big lad and carries the ball strongly. He'll be one of your better signings IMO.'"


To get in the 17 if everyone is fit he would have to be performing at a better level than one of Cuthbertson, Galloway, Singleton or Garbutt who will certainly start the year as the first choice four, which will mean he has made quite an impact, so hope you are right.I have to say, i did like the look of him the few times i saw him for Wakey, he has the physical attributes and potential to kick on so hopefully he can be a success story, as he is probably one of the signings that has gone under the radar a bit.

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The Ferres signing is going to be a bit of a roadblock potentially for Mullally. With the injuries to Ward and JJB, it looked like Leeds would go with a prop at 13 and therefore have five props in the 17. It's now more likely Delaney will play at 13, which means one of those five props (probably Mullally) misses out on a chance to put down a marker in the early games.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "The Ferres signing is going to be a bit of a roadblock potentially for Mullally. With the injuries to Ward and JJB, it looked like Leeds would go with a prop at 13 and therefore have five props in the 17. It's now more likely Delaney will play at 13, which means one of those five props (probably Mullally) misses out on a chance to put down a marker in the early games.'"


I think Ferres will be a roadblock for Keinhorst (unfortunately), and Achurch (thankfully)

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Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "I think Ferres will be a roadblock for Keinhorst (unfortunately), and Achurch (thankfully)'"


Long term, probably. However he's also a vast improvement on both IMO.

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Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "I think Ferres will be a roadblock for Keinhorst (unfortunately), and Achurch (thankfully)'"


I still think Keinhorst will get plenty of game time over the course of what could be a very long season again if we go deep in the CC. He also offers great utility value too being able to cover in the three quarters. Regards Achurch, he will more than likely spend his last year doing the hokey cokey out of the treatment room unfortunately.

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I must say Ferris being added to the already formidable Leeds team makes it look very strong. If there was a weakness for me it is that role that Ablett and JJB used to play when they were younger.

I will say, many are putting Mullally as the 5 prop or lower but having watched him at Wakefield last year I think you'll be surprised. He looks like a great prop to me and got steadily better every game he played with us. I'm not sure the Giants style suited him but I think the Leeds style will, and imho will be one of your starting props and a South Stand favourite.

I'd also add, if Keinhorst doesn't get game time with you, he can come back to Belle Vue on loan if he likes. We didn't see the best of him when he was there last time, we might as well let him have another go. He clearly has skills.

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Quote: PopTart "I will say, many are putting Mullally as the 5 prop or lower but having watched him at Wakefield last year I think you'll be surprised. He looks like a great prop to me and got steadily better every game he played with us. I'm not sure the Giants style suited him but I think the Leeds style will, and imho will be one of your starting props and a South Stand favourite..'"


I think 5th in the pecking order is realistic though at the moment. The ones ahead of him (Cuthbertson, Garbutt, Singleton) all performed very well for us last year and obviously Galloway is a good experienced signing too. Because of the other comings and goings his signing has gone under the radar.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "The Ferres signing is going to be a bit of a roadblock potentially for Mullally. With the injuries to Ward and JJB, it looked like Leeds would go with a prop at 13 and therefore have five props in the 17. It's now more likely Delaney will play at 13, which means one of those five props (probably Mullally) misses out on a chance to put down a marker in the early games.'"

Mullaly will be at Belle Vue on a permanent deal come August anyway

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Quote: Norman Stanley Fletcher "Mullaly will be at Belle Vue on a permanent deal come August anyway'"


Hunch or something you've heard?

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For the first time in many years, Leeds have a pack which is not a settled group. In the space of one year we have lost kylie, JP, Bailey, kirke. These had been the 4 core props for 8 seasons. Also aiton gone, Sinfield gone as an option for LF and JJB hit with long injuries.

Whether by chance or design there is real scope for some of the younger players like mullalley and keinhorst to challenge for places as there is no set pecking order at present.
Falloon And Ferres are on one year deals, achurch and JJB in last year - so all should, be keen to impress.
We know Cuthbertson, Garbutt, Ablett, Singo, ward and Delaney will graft but they and Galloway will face genuine competition for places when all fit.

And who emerges as real pack leaders will also be interesting to see. Given all the changes and new faces and with Sutcliffe to come in at pivot plus loss of the artificial pitch to work on - it may take a bit of time before we see the best of this team in the middle of the park. Looking forward to seeing how it unfolds.

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It looks to me as if both JJB and Achurch have been pushed a step further down in the 2nd Row hierarchy.

Given the number of props we have got I find it very unlikely that, as a previous poster put it, "expect to see JJB spending some time at prop".

Based on last season it looks more likely that Cuthbertson will be the loose forward until Ward is back to full fitness.

JJB is a great character and has been a great player but with his injury record and turning 35 during next season I wonder if he should be thinking about retiring. Keinhorst has a very similar build and can do a similar job but also cover centre.

Achurch has had a few chances and shown only glimpses perhaps we can let him go as well - Mullally is the same build and looks just as fast maybe we could have him as cover for prop and 2nd row?

Moving on to the halves.. Lilley has looked pretty good in his few games and his kicking is accurate - it will be interesting to see, especially before Sutcliffe gets back, how McGuire, Burrow & Falloon get on and whether Lilley might be a better ft than Burrow.

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