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Briscoe, Duckworth - 2015.
Minns, Foster - 2016
Tonks, Baldwinson - 2017.

If the investigation has some legs, why didn't they do it let season, when London had Foster Minns and Duckworth on one year deals, just like these deals in place.

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Quote: Gotcha "But they are all on loan or dual reg, that's the point.

The lads at Fev are on loan for the year. Therefore they are still Leeds players until their contracts end. Sure, they can't be recalled, but as with any loan, the clubs still owns the player until the contract ends. The same with Briscoe and Duckworth at Hunslet.

The other lads turning out for Hunslet, Mulhern Walters, Keinhorst, Delaney, are on dual reg.

I don't know what the rules are, but the whether they are Leeds players or not is pretty clear.'"


If that is true then Fev broke the rules when they played Fax by having more than the allowed Dual Reg/Loan players named in their team. If they are on 1 year contracts then they didnt break the rules.

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Quote: Gotcha "But they are all on loan or dual reg, that's the point.

The lads at Fev are on loan for the year. Therefore they are still Leeds players until their contracts end. Sure, they can't be recalled, but as with any loan, the clubs still owns the player until the contract ends. The same with Briscoe and Duckworth at Hunslet.

The other lads turning out for Hunslet, Mulhern Walters, Keinhorst, Delaney, are on dual reg.

I don't know what the rules are, but the whether they are Leeds players or not is pretty clear.'"


Then you might want to mention that to Andy Hay and Barry Eaton, both of whom are quoted in that article as holding the contrary opinion.

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Quote: Frosties. "Briscoe, Duckworth - 2015.
Minns, Foster - 2016
Tonks, Baldwinson - 2017.

If the investigation has some legs, why didn't they do it let season, when London had Foster Minns and Duckworth on one year deals, just like these deals in place.'"


Probably because nobody else in SL complained and thought London might be a threat to their league position.

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they are not classed as on loan. Their wages are payable by the club they are at, no recall as they are one year signed contracts with the club rather than loans. They have nothing to do with Leeds until 2016 now.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "If that is true then Fev broke the rules when they played Fax by having more than the allowed Dual Reg/Loan players named in their team. If they are on 1 year contracts then they didnt break the rules.'"



How did they break the rules? is there a limit to number of loan players you can have? if it is less than four, were all four playing in the game? I thought Minns had been out for a while?

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Quote: Gotcha "How did they break the rules? is there a limit to number of loan players you can have? if it is less than four, were all four playing in the game? I thought Minns had been out for a while?'"


LOANS AND DUAL REGISTRATION: C1:2:10

LIMIT ON NUMBERS
A Club shall not include in any 19 man Match Squad nor play in any Match:

More than five Players who are on loan to it and/or dual registered to it (irrespective of which Club they are registered with); and

More than 4 Players who are dual registered to it


Fev had 4 dual regs for the game and 2 of the Leeds lads named in the 19 man squad. This really boils down to what contracts have been registered with the RFL in regard to these players.

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Further to that below are probably a couple of things they are looking at:-

C1:2:1
BOARD ENTITLED TO REFUSE OR CANCEL REGISTRATIONS

b. the Board reasonably believes that to accept the registration or Contract may bring the Game into disrepute or may adversely affect the integrity of any competition;

h. the Board reasonably believes that the Club (or Clubs) concerned is entering into the registration or Contract in order to circumvent the Operational Rules

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IIRC Duckworth and Briscoe signed for Hunslet and Tonks, Foster, Minns & Baldwinson signed for Fev. All 1 year contracts. Not loans or DR. If that's true then they have left Leeds and are Hunslet or Fev players for 2015.

Again going off my admittedly hazy memory, I think at least Baldwinson, Tonks and Foster all had agreed a deal with Leeds for 2016 too.

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There is an easy way round this, just bring back A team rugby and players won't be loanded as much.

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Quote: Him "IIRC Duckworth and Briscoe signed for Hunslet and Tonks, Foster, Minns & Baldwinson signed for Fev. All 1 year contracts. Not loans or DR. If that's true then they have left Leeds and are Hunslet or Fev players for 2015. '"


That is correct sir, any why Fev and Hunslet won't be in any trouble.

I don't agree with it but thems the rules.

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Quote: Wheels "That is correct sir, any why Fev and Hunslet won't be in any trouble.

I don't agree with it but thems the rules.'"

Bit OT but any idea what's going to happen with York and the new stadium? I saw the stadium got approved but Ive lost track of the ins and outs of York City Knights position in it all.

Or should I call them the York Suicide Bats? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Him "Bit OT but any idea what's going to happen with York and the new stadium? I saw the stadium got approved but Ive lost track of the ins and outs of York City Knights position in it all.

Or should I call them the York Suicide Bats?
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The stadium is getting built and will be open at the back end of 2016. If YCK want to be in it, they have to get their egotistical maniac of a Chairman out of the club ASAP.

Either he sells so we can crack on, move in to Bootham Crescent and start building towards a place in the middle 8s.

Or he carries on until the club folds very soon, then we can crack on, move in to Bootham Crescent and start building towards a place in the middle 8s, albeit probably starting on -6 points.

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By announcing that the players on 1 year contracts with either Hunslet or Fev are under contract for Leeds next season, are they not trying to get round the rules? They may have shot themselves in the foot with that one and may have been better keeping it hush hush.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "By announcing that the players on 1 year contracts with either Hunslet or Fev are under contract for Leeds next season, are they not trying to get round the rules? They may have shot themselves in the foot with that one and may have been better keeping it hush hush.'"


So better to be duplicitous or at the very least economical with the truth?
It all smacks of sour grapes to me.

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