This is exactly the point. *Please* watch the video on the original comment, it explains it better than I can.

You don't define yourself by your ethnicity because the majority of society is white. For people for whom that is not the case, ethnicity becomes important.

As for your question, someone is not either privileged or un-privileged. They can have some privilege (e.g. white privilege) and not others (i.e. be disabled).

Whether you are privileged on one axis of identity is irrelevant to whether you are privileged on others.

I think disability's potential a great way of getting your head around the idea. So many people who have severe spinal injuries that restrict them to wheelchairs say 'I never knew how difficult going about everyday life was for people in wheelchairs until I found myself in one' - being able-bodied had given them an ability that little things like getting to the first floor of a building, or into a car, simply weren't important. Only once that was taken away did they realise how easy they'd had it.

Those things aren't special things people with able-privilege get to do. They're just things that they don't have to think about, that for others can be incredibly important.

It has nothing to do with how you define yourself. It has to do with your experiences.

Nobody said that person was privileged or that person isnt. There is A privilege. It is A privilege that you arent subjected to the things homosexuals are. It is A privilege to not be disabled or suffer from mental illness. It is A privilege to be a relatively rich white man living in a western democracy in a country with a high standard of living. It is A privilege not to suffer the things Worlds Apart lists.

You are speaking from a position of having those privileges, dismissing the concerns and offence of those who dont.

Really? You don't know anything about me apart I'm a rugby fan and you're going to tell me what privileges I have. Do you even know the colour of my skin?

Whilst you just see it as me dismissing the concerns and offence of those who are gay, once again I shared the same opinion as a bisexual man on the Hardaker incident.

For all the talk about dismissing opinions and labelling people and giving people abuse, then a fair bit of "homophobic", "ignorant" and "privileged" has been banded about by people who don't even really know the poster they're replying too.

To argue about gays being treated equal but then turn around and say my opinion on the subject isn't as valid/ is ignorant because I'm not gay. Hmmmm.

Did i mention the colour of your skin? Literally the only privilege I attributed to you was the one you already stated. That you arent a homosexual and havent been subjected to homophobic bullying.

Cod'ead isnt the norths Gay spokesman or the arbiter of Gay offence.
Yes, your opinion on being a victim of homophobic bullying isnt as valid because you arent gay and a victim of homophobic bullying. My opinions of being in labor arent as valid as my mums because I'm not a woman and have no experience of it, and my views on the difficulties of having a severe disability are pretty worthless because i am fortunate enough, to have the privilege of being a healthy able bodied man.

Evidently Leeds are lining themselves up on Hardaker's side. The club took the, correctly, strong internal view on him after the World Cup antics; this is the worse of the two incidents but I suspect they are now helping him out as best they can given he's not signed a further extension to his contract yet, not that it's imminently expiring.

As far as I'm concerned a 5-8 match ban would be appropriate from the RFL. Leeds should follow up whatever threats were made to him last year. At the very least, the fine he got then should be doubled; if he was on a final warning about future behaviour his contract should be terminated. Leeds RLFC should have little tolerance for the sort of chavvy and braindead antics that Hardaker too often involves himself in. If we lose a very good player, so be it.

"It is A privilege to be a relatively rich WHITE man living in a western democracy"

"You are speaking from a position of having those privileges"

See, right there, clear as day.



No never said he is, but neither is Worlds Apart but hasn't stop you agreeing with him and thinking his view is correct.




Maybe it's isn't as valid.....wrong choice of words there. But it's clear that myself and others have had the "ignorant" word thrown at us, and quite lazily IMO just because the view is different.

When you are having to shunt two different sentences together to get what you want it to say. It didnt say it.

So because Cod'ead isnt the Gay Spokesman for the north or the arbiter of Gay offence, I'm not allowed to agree with Worlds Apart? Seems weird.

No, its not because your view is different, but because it is devoid of any experience.

"Nobody said that person was privileged or that person isnt. There is A privilege. It is A privilege that you arent subjected to the things homosexuals are. It is A privilege to not be disabled or suffer from mental illness. It is A privilege to be a relatively rich white man living in a western democracy in a country with a high standard of living. It is A privilege not to suffer the things Worlds Apart lists.

You are speaking from a position of having those privileges, dismissing the concerns and offence of those who dont."

Ok there you go, that I cut out "it's a privilege not to suffer the things Worlds Apart list" doesn't stop from what you said.

You can try and scramble your way out of it but it's clear as day and you'll only make a fool of yourself trying to do so. Maybe take a leaf out of Hardaker's book and just admit it.



You can, but apparently when I agree with Cod'ead you try to dismiss it. Hypocrisy.



What the hell do you know about my experiences? Basing it on the my view of the Hardaker incident? Whose ignorant again?

i was clearly speaking in abstract terms, hence one of those was listed as a privilege you had, the rest as simply abstract privileges. Frankly im not really bothered whether you think i was saying you had those privileges listed. Its of no importance. You can keep trying to use it to score points but you will be doing it on your own.

No, i have never dismissed you agreeing with Cod'ead, you can agree with whoever you want. What i dismiss is your repeated attempts to add legitimacy to your argument because you think Cod'ead agrees with your. Having one bisexual man sort of agree with you doesnt add anything to your argument. I dont agree with Worlds Apart to add legitimacy to what i say. I dont think im any more right because he agrees. You have repeatedly tried to add in the fact 'well a bisexual man agrees with me' as if it somehow adds something. it doesnt. Thats what is being dismissed

Also, just a note, it seems crazy that you are hiding behind what you believe to be Cod'eads agreement with you because he is bisexual, yet have chosen to argue against the opposite viewpoint put forward by a gay man who has told you why they are offended by it. What sense does that make?

Its ok, you told us. Numerous times. You are a straight man. You telling us you are a straight man led me to believe you werent a gay man.

So if i am black and you called me a rich white man you think it's of no importance? Remind us of what you're arguing over in the first place?



Repeatedly? Really? I mentioned it once before you came up with your is Cod'ead the spokesman for gays comment. But over exaggerate if you must.




Really, how many times have I said I was straight?

Does experience only apply to those who are gay? Does having friends, family, work colleagues, ex-partners who were bisexual mean I'm devoid of experience on the subject?

If you're not gay should everything you say be viewed ignorant due to lack of experience?

I'm fully enjoying your digging of a massive hole though.

Yes, everything you say should be viewed through the prism of this not being an experience you have had yourself, yet strangely feel comfortable in telling someone who has they are wrong.

Did I say he was wrong?

Still won't admit the white man/black man error you made?

Won't answer whether experience only counts for people who are gay?

yes you wrote a long post on the first page arguing against him.

experience of this yes. If you arent gay or bisexual you dont have those experiences. You may have other experiences of something different, but well that's something different.

Yes I debated his points. Did I say he was wrong except on the line he quoted about me from the other thread? No so stop embarrassing yourself.




You said I was DEVOID of experience though? Again your scrambling is quite pathetic.