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Quote: Sal Paradise "At least McGuire is still quick enough to make a break unlike his half back partner who Green made look very pedestrian for his try. I appreciate some players cannot be criticised on here but it would be great if some posters didn't watch games through rose-tinted glasses?'"


I know Carl Ablett has been listed as a halfback on the team sheet the last few weeks but he didn't actually play there.

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Quote: rollin thunder "Daryl Clarke tearing wakey apart this aft. We really should be trying to get him, hate to see him at Warrington if he leaves Cas. Give ward a game Friday defo, let's have a look at him.'"


Warrington bound unfortunately.

Need to give a few a rest this week I think, I'd bring Robbie Ward, Rob Mulhern and possibly Elliott Minchella in and give Chris Clarkson, Kylie Leuluai a rest. I too agree that BJB shouldn't come in unless we have injuries in the backline. I'd drop Ryan Bailey and Ian Kirke.

Hardaker
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Sutcliffe McGuire
Singleton Sinfield Peacock
Achurch Ablett
S Ward

R Ward Delaney Mulhern Minchella

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Quote: ThePrinter "I know Carl Ablett has been listed as a halfback on the team sheet the last few weeks but he didn't actually play there.'"


There you go proved my point didn't think you would rise to the bait quite so easy - take those glasses off!!

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Quote: Sal Paradise "There you go proved my point didn't think you would rise to the bait quite so easy - take those glasses off!!'"


Really? Jon Wells and Brian Carney highlighted Ablett as being the defender at fault when analysing the try.

Maybe the point is you don't know the game better than two professionals who are regularly praised for their good analysis of the game.

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Quote: nantwichexile "Oh don't worry...I can see the deficiencies of Sinfield as a halfback, but of the two, Sinfield IMO is still the more integral to the success of the team. He IS still a pretty good DH, captain and tactical kicker. (As first choice place kicker too for the moment - although I see Hardaker been just as good now if not potentially better. Sinfield is missing far more these days). What exactly are McGuire's strengths? He is becoming ever more petulant and is finding it hard to accept his loss of try scoring pace ...Burrow in his position yesterday would probably have scored. He certainly would not have reacted so badly when tackled audaciously from behind by the young Wigan hooker.'"


I completely agree McGuire is not the player he once was but then neither is the captain. Don't forget the whole team has had to be mucked around to accommodate him not wanting to play in the forwards. McGuire still offers quite a lot to the team - he is a good passer, great reader of the game and a better short kicking game than anyone else in the team - I know that is not saying a lot as our kicking game is pretty pathetic for a top side.

Burrow may well have finished that chance but one thing is for certain Sinfield would never have made the break in the first place. To blame all the ills of the side on one of the half backs is unfair IMO - neither covered themselves in glory yesterday and the key try in the game came directly from Green getting past the captain untouched.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Really? Jon Wells and Brian Carney highlighted Ablett as being the defender at fault when analysing the try.

Maybe the point is you don't know the game better than two professionals who are regularly praised for their good analysis of the game.'"


Not sure how it was Ablett's fault Green just ran straight past Sinfield?

I don't need TV pundits to tell me what is going on in front of my eyes - I am quite capable of assessing things myself, maybe you should try it?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Not sure how it was Ablett's fault Green just ran straight past Sinfield?

I don't need TV pundits to tell me what is going on in front of my eyes - I am quite capable of assessing things myself, maybe you should try it?'"


I did assess it myself, Ablett got done. You might be able to assess things on your own, doesn't mean they're correct.

Maybe Wells and Carney have rose tinted glasses on too?

Or maybe you're wrong?

I'd say the latter is more likely.

Having gone through a gap BETWEEN Ablett and Sinfield (with Sinfield being on the outside) how did he run PAST him? He never reached Sinfield? He ran past and beyond Ablett, it's clear to see.

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sal paradise - eh?

Ablett didn't push up, he held back lazily hoping green would pass it but instead he dummied and went through the gap ablett left. Don't know how you can absolve ablett of any responsibility.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "sal paradise - eh?

Ablett didn't push up, he held back lazily hoping green would pass it but instead he dummied and went through the gap ablett left. Don't know how you can absolve ablett of any responsibility.'"


Green beat Ablett on his outside shoulder, clearly Ablett at fault. Sinfield COULD'VE saved the situation by gambling on what was going on on his inside shoulder, but that only comes about when the guy inside you (Ablett on this occasion) doesn't do his job. Had Sinfield taken a step back inside he'd opened up a gap for Green to work the ball out wide.

Sal's just embarrassing himself quite frankly on this one.

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in an up and slide defence then Ablett was clearly at fault as it was on his outside shoulder.that said sinfield could take some of the blame for buying the dummy easily leaving such a hole.

whatever,I say good try green,well taken.

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Sal-Come off it McGuire butchered at least 1 try when he had Bjb on his inside but got caught then fecked up on the 5th going for glory when everyone watching knew he neither had the pace or the gap.
Mags like many was pretty poor yesterday with ball in hand and as has been pointed out Greens try exposed that right edge not just Sinfield.
Onto the Cods I wold rotate the squad now and go with..
Hardaker
Hall
Moon
Watkins
Briscoe
Sutcliffe
Sinfield
Singleton
R.Ward
JP
Achurch
Ablett
S.Ward

McGuire
Minchella
Mulhern
Kirke

I think that team should have enough to beat a pretty average FC team & give the likes of Kylie & Delaney a week off.

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Seen a couple put Stevie Ward in their starting line-ups (which admittedly should be fine for Hull). But got to say, again not convinced by him ATM. Possibly come good IF he can go into pre-season injury free and hit the gym hard and bulk up instead of the last 2 pre-seasons which have been spent rehabbing serious shoulder injuries.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Seen a couple put Stevie Ward in their starting line-ups (which admittedly should be fine for Hull). But got to say, again not convinced by him ATM. Possibly come good IF he can go into pre-season injury free and hit the gym hard and bulk up instead of the last 2 pre-seasons which have been spent rehabbing serious shoulder injuries.'"

Send him to Bradford and give baldwinson a go. Ward looked Iike a boy against men in most games particularly last night. Don't think he will be good enough.

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Quote: rollin thunder "Send him to Bradford and give baldwinson a go. Ward looked Iike a boy against men in most games particularly last night. Don't think he will be good enough.'"


He could be good enough. Like I pointed out, 2 pre-seasons ruined by shoulder rehab has spoiled his physical growth. That's the main issue with him, not looking strong enough, that could change though.

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regards Ward, Way too early to be writing him off as not good enough.unfortunately he has had his injury problems and has yet to re establish himself like he did when he first broke through.like the printer says,he needs to bulk up if he is to be a backrower in the long run and should hopefully get a chance in the off season but that hasnt been possible yet due to the nature of his injuries.I would like to see him just get a settled run in the team in the back row if thats his position not messing about with him like the failed attempt at centre.

ward,sutcliffe and singleton are still raw and it will take a few more seasons yet for them to become consistant performer week in week out.I hope the coaching staff have a bit more patience than some people on here or we could end up watching our starlets playing out their best years at other SL clubs!

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