Which was followed by a cheap penalty conceded by Kirke.

I dunno all this arguing.












Please continue.

Behave.......Watkins isn't allowed to be criticised.

The targets have been well established a long time ago.

Ryan Hall yet again missed 33% of the tackles he attempts. He does this every match. He averages two errors every game to compliment this.

There is not a worse winger defensively in super league according to stats, yet I keep getting told he does not have a problem defensively. I can't argue is offence is first class but his defence in excusable.

It must be the stats guys fault, as just to clarify this happens with or without Moon in the side.

Bring back big Keith, Hall hasn't been the same since

Yes there is, a few actually.

No there isn't. But we do know how you massage stats incorrectly though.

But your using stats alone to judge him the worst defensive winger, which in my opinion doesn't reflect reality

Ok, just don't look at Peter Fox or Gene Ormsby or Danny Williams or Ade Gardner or Jamie Foster or Tom Lineham.

I didn't judge him that at all. I said "stats wise he is the worst defensive winger in super league".

But you are using the stats to judge him

No I used the average stats over a long period of time. That way they do not lie. You would also expect that someone playing for the best defensive side in the league, wouldn't be anywhere near the worst in the league in that particular function in his position.

The fact is he misses a shocking amount of the tackles he attempts. And he consistently makes a high amount of handling errors.

How dare you ... But then why advocate the "WBW" playing in the forwards if his tackling ability is woeful. ?

So you are using stats to judge him then!

Stats even over a long period of time can be misleading . Especially opta stats and missed tackles. Especially for a winger where the mistake is often made infield. Not looking at any stats at all just watching games there are worse defensive wingers out there

That is an extremely naive and incorrect view. It would be right over one match, over two matches. Over four seasons however tells you it is consistent, and therefore the stats tell the whole story. Remember here I am talking about one area of his game only.