Beat fair and square - it happens - onwards and upwards

Good to see Burrow and Sinfield getting the blame for McGuire digging himself a massive hole and hiding down it in yet another big game.

Fingers crossed he does a Diskin, banks his benefit and clears off so we can see more of Sutcliffe.

Hardly getting the blame. You've jumped on 1 post and run with it. For what it's worth though, I thought Sinfield was awful.

There still seems to be a belief from some that just because we're Leeds that we'll brush off this minor setback and storm into the GF. Maybe it will still happen, but I don't see this as deja vu. It's a big wake up call, not deja vu.

Can't criticise Sinfield who was as bad if not worse than McGuire today - myopic Gilder nothing new there

You're referring to one line of my post. Nice logic-leaping but I was noticing the structure not blaming the players. We were playing with three half-backs. McGuire, as the widest, hardly had a chance to impose himself.

Bad day at the office. Plenty of parts will under par today. We have plenty of improvement to make, or will be out

Brilliant one week, poor to average the next. This is McDermotts Leeds. He's very consistent at producing inconsistency.

He's also consistent in producing GF wins.

Although I agree I thought last week we looked the business this week we looked knackered

Not at Harlequins he wasn't. Whereas the Leeds players were winning them consistent;y before he arrived.

Take it you're not a Brian mac fan then?

Anyways I actually think our current team has peaked, I don't think we will make the GF this year or the next, I'm fact it will be a very interesting few years as the old guard makes way for the new.

.....not least making better use of the bench: Kirke's selection continues to baffle and the non use of Singleton and Sutcliffe until late in the game is hard to fathom.

Sinfield at DH looks far more dangerous:

have faith in Sutcliffe to take over more last tackle plays with an alternating Burrow jumping in at DH on an irregular basis.

Warrington made Leeds look like an ageing tired side especially in the third quarter. As soon as the upped the tempo we were unable to cope. The forwards that were so dominant last week were completely dominated and I include JP in that.

McDermott got his selection wrong - he should not be starting JP and Kylie he should be starting Singleton and JP with Kylie as first interchange. The fact Kirke got more game time than Singleton was a huge error.

Burrow was good in the first quarter but his influence faded badly and his propensity to throw forward passes is an ongoing problem. Having said that he had more impact than either McGuire or Sinfield.

Too many forwards had no impact JJB, Delanney, Bailey, Kylie, Kirke, you simply cannot carry that number of players against a good side.

It will be a massive ask to come back from this - Saints are on roll and they are peaking at the right time. Team selection and the correct rotation will be crucial if we are not to suffer a similar humiliation to what occurred at Warrington

Despite one or two decisions going against us we were comfortably second best for most of the game. It will take a big improvement in performance to win next week but write this team off at your peril.
I agree dropping Singleton to the bench for Bailey was harsh but yesterday was the last chance to get Bailey some minutes before we are into do or die. The major worry for me is the obvious lack of fitness of some key players. Delaney for one is really struggling.
Next week against saints should be a cracker. Keep the faith.

More gate receipts and TV money. Enhanced match fitness for the semis. Warrington now programmed to underestimate us.

Perhaps, sometimes, winning isn't the cleverest thing to do?