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Quote: RhinoNeil "Well of course he is off the boil after a lengthy injury. The guy has a brilliant record in the big games for Leeds, if fit he is a certainty for every playoff game.


This is playoff rugby where experience counts for everything and with McGuire having 7 Grand Finals with 6 winners rings, he is also a certainty, albeit he wont be playing a full 80 in his first couple of games.


Yes he has. The last two months both Burrow and Peacock have been absolutely vital for Leeds. Burrow has stood up (Still at knee height) and marshalled the squad brilliantly. Against London he put 110% effort in, unfortunately he didn't have much support in the way off dummy runners making a lot of his work ineffective. And like the above reference to McGuire how on earth can you leave Burrow out after 6 GF wins....

Don`t doubt that about Ablett and is always one of my first choice players for the 17.
Just trying to point out the regulars are not playing as well as they should be.
Now that might be down to injury or performance.
Whilst McGuire has a wealth of experience.
You need to factor in the playing not fully fit situation.
Senior did it to us once and look what happened.
I may be wrong but McGuire is going to have to go some to be play off fit in time.
As for Burrow I think we will agree to disagree.
I personally think he has not played well at all and is starving the outside backs of decent ball.
But that is my opinion of course.
I also agree that you don`t have 4 pivots on the field at the same time.
Maybe Sutcliffe could then be used in the Steve Ward role but then who do you leave out between Delaney, JJB, Ablett and possibly Achurch.
Decisions, decisions.

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IF the whole squad bar Ward are fit, then 14 of the playoff 17 are nailed on:

Hardaker; BJB, Watkins, Moon, Hall; Sinfield, McGuire; Peacock, Burrow, Leuluai, Delaney, JJB, Ablett; Bailey, 15, 16, 17.

Singleton has probably played his way into the 15 slot, then it's two from Kirke, Sutcliffe, McShane, Moore, Clarkson probably in that order of likelihood.

Had completely forgotten that Achurch was on our books until reading the above post.

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Depending on when he's actually fit, I think he may struggle to get back in. He has been vital in big games over his career, but I fear that his sharpness and fitness will render him pretty poor for a period when we need the squad to be at their best. Sutcliffe has been good, but not undroppable, so he may have to move to accomodate him, but I can certainly see McGuire's place under threat in the next season

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Quote: Andy Gilder "No point in having a pivot on the bench, and no team plays with four pivots.

If Sutcliffe plays, then it would be as a ball carrying back rower which isn't his natural game and places more pressure on the other four players in the pack.

With the likes of McGuire, Bailey, JJB, Delaney and McGuire coming back to fitness some hard (and potentially unpopular) decisions will need to be made, if and where Sutcliffe plays being one of them.'"


I dunno, didn't we effectively have 4 pivots in 2011 and 2012? Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Buderus/Lunt all seem pretty pivoty to me. At times you could have argued you could throw Brent Webb into that list.

I think we can play with Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Sutcliffe and McShane, if 4 of 5 are on the pitch at one time. I'd suggest then that Sutcliffe's role is as ball-playing loose, rather than ball-carrying back row.

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I'd be looking to go with:

Hardaker
Bish
Watkins
Moon
Hall
Sutcliffe
McGuire
Leuluai
Sinfield
Peacock
JJB
Delaney
Ablett

Bailey
Kirke
Singleton
Burrow

But that be completely dependent on McGuire, JJB & Bailey showing some form before the play offs begin

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Quote: El Diablo "I dunno, didn't we effectively have 4 pivots in 2011 and 2012? Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Buderus/Lunt all seem pretty pivoty to me. At times you could have argued you could throw Brent Webb into that list.

I think we can play with Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Sutcliffe and McShane, if 4 of 5 are on the pitch at one time. I'd suggest then that Sutcliffe's role is as ball-playing loose, rather than ball-carrying back row.'"


I'd agree, but I'd add that the way those 4 complemented each other best seemed to be when Burrow began on the bench and came on. This allowed us an extra forward in the early exchanges and also a huge impact player off the bench who could, and did, change games on his own.

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