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Moa is either going home or staying at hull IMO. Millard will re-sign for Catalan and Bateman will go to Warrington.

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Quote: Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan "So, if we do have a clearout of players come season end, which, would you say, are for the chop? Who should get a reprieve? And who should be brought in?

My Thoughts

OUT

Brent Webb-already pretty established as going to Catalans

Jamie Peacock-Sorry, but the old warhorse is shot. Can no longer put in the stints he used to, let alone play the full 80. The guy will be 35 at season end, and has looked less effective than Moore for much of this year.

Lee Smith-not as good a fullback as Hardaker, not as good a winger as Jones-Bishop or Hall, and not suited to our needs as a left centre. It's hard to see, other than cover, what Smith offers us. Can better advance himself elsewhere.

Chris Clarkson-has literally no go forward. Yes, his defence is reasonable, but for much of this season that's fallen off too. The opinion has generally been that unless he plays the full 80, he wouldn't start. Currently, I don't think any of those could be said.

Ian Kirke-again, a trier, and as his stint at Wire showed, he can attack and make yards. But he doesn't have Moore's offloading, or aggression, and has fallen out of the side in the last few months. That said, given he's probably not on too much money, I'd think about keeping him on.

Richard Moore-though aggressive, should never have been signed. Doesn't make too many yards, defensively poor, and generally making up the numbers, while blocking the path of youth. Wouldn't get signed by anyone we should be trying to compete with.

IN

Kyle Amor-Loan return. Been doing well for Wakey by all accounts for near two years, it's time to give him the opportunity he's deserved.

Luke Ambler-Loan Return. By all accounts, similar to the above at Fax, where their fans are raving about him.

Paul McShane-Loan return. Again, seems to be doing well at Widnes, and clearly has the faith of the management with his long-term contract. See him falling behind Hood in a few years, but so far our best option.

Daryl Millard-OOC at Catalans, the reliable, big LC we've been looking for.

Olivier Elima-OOC at Bradford. Big, brick house, aggressive, offloading second row. A better version of Moore.

Sam Moa-Wanting away from Hull. Prop forward with some mongrel and 'bang' about him. Would give some oomph to the pack where it's really needed.

John Bateman-we need a quality replacement for Sinfield. This guy is the next big thing, and we should be doing everything we can to bring him to Headingley. Big transfer fee needed, but with the clubs finances, the sleeve should be able to do a deal with Bulls.

Reprieved

Kevin Sinfield. Defence has been poor, and so has attack this year. I'd be looking to move Kev to a player-coach role next year, potentially playing him at Hooker rather than LF. 2013 to be Kev's last season on the playing staff.

Danny McGuire. Not as good a scrumhalf as Burrow, the loss of his pace has left Danny in an unfamiliar position. Ward is clearly the future, and played well at SO against Wire-so where does Danny's future lie? IMO, unless he can put in a big season in 2013, the answer is away from Headingley.

2013 Squad

1. Zak Hardaker
2. Ben Jones-Bishop
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Daryl Millard
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow (VC)
8. Kylie Leuluai
9. Paul McShane
10. Darrell Griffin
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
13. Kevin Sinfield (C)
14. Liam Hood
15. Brett Delaney
16. Ryan Bailey
17. Olivier Elima
18. John Bateman
19. Weller Hauraki
20. Sam Moa
21. Luke Ambler
22. Kyle Amor
23. Jamel Chisholm
24. Liam Hood
25. Stevie Ward

Best 17

You'd keep McShane and Hood but yet play Sinfield at hooker?

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Quote: Frosties. "Moa is either going home or staying at hull IMO. Millard will re-sign for Catalan and Bateman will go to Warrington.'"


Frosties, apart from David Williams any other players on GH's radar screen?

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Quote: Backwoodsman "Re mjm. I think you will find lowes played most of his career as hooker.
For your information the hooking position is in the forwards.'"

This would be the James Lowes that played most of his junior rugby at 6.
HTH

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Personally I hope we keep Kirke.

There's been two or three times now this season where the team have visibly improved when he's come off the bench.
Friday was the latest example.

I don't know why and I don't know how, but there it is!

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Tykes / Rhino's number 1 fan, you mention Amor and Ambler and giving youth a go, but then neither are in your 17 but Moa.

I can't wait for JP to come back and shove your words down your throat. He's been off the last few weeks but is being flogged. If you have a car, you don't put the pedal to metal constantly, you ease of now and again. McD hasn't let Peacock do that. He isn't a bad player, just a shattered one.

You also mention McShane and Hood but have Sinny at 9 and again they're not even on the bench. We ask if things could worse than they already are, and having you as coach would be a disaster. Great players don't become crap over night. Fair enough, some need to go, but show respect to the players that have given their heart and soul to our club. Players like Kev and JP have dragged us single handedly to the winning post at times and then 'no 1 fans' like you write them off when their form dips for a few weeks. Any fan can see the team is out on its feet. Most of the squad haven't had a rest for 3 years and McD hasn't used the squad adequately.

OUT

Numpty Leeds fans who let their mouths run away with them.

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Quote: SBRhino "This would be the James Lowes that played most of his junior rugby at 6.
HTH'"

Lowes was a scrum half with Hunslet before we picked him up.

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Quote: django "Lowes was a scrum half with Hunslet before we picked him up.'"
Famously dominated, from scrum half, a Leeds team including a fine array of future head and assistant coaches in Schofield, Wane, Maskill, Goodway and Hanley.

As an aside is that the last time Leeds played the Hun in a competetive game (tvoc)?

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Quote: MjM "Famously dominated, from scrum half, a Leeds team including a fine array of future head and assistant coaches in Schofield, Wane, Maskill, Goodway and Hanley.

As an aside is that the last time Leeds played the Hun in a competetive game (tvoc)?'"


Having visited South Leeds a few times this season, I'd guess it's quite some time since anyone played the Hun in a competitive game!

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Quote: MjM "Famously dominated, from scrum half, a Leeds team including a fine array of future head and assistant coaches in Schofield, Wane, Maskill, Goodway and Hanley.

As an aside is that the last time Leeds played the Hun in a competetive game (tvoc)?'"


As Ringo Starr might have once wrote to Marge Simpson 'sorry for the lateness of my reply.'

Yes it was. That game (28 - 20) was in the Yorkshire Cup 1st round (13th September 1992) and was watched by a Headingley crowd of 5,952.

Lowes would make his Leeds debut just 19 days later in a 13 - 4 home win V Warrington in the league.

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The mention of Moa won't happen. He's most likely going to be going to the NRL as he has stated that he wants to play there whilst he's in his prime and he can. I think that all of his family are over there and so that will be a pull too.

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In answer to the OP's original question - Father Time should be sharpening his scythe for Peacock and Leuluai. On the basis that they are offering little to the first team that one of the Under 20s couldn't, Moore and Hauraki should be following Webb out of the exits. I feel bridges may have been burned with McShane, so it may be best for all concerned if he moves on.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "In answer to the OP's original question - Father Time should be sharpening his scythe for Peacock and Leuluai. On the basis that they are offering little to the first team that one of the Under 20s couldn't, Moore and Hauraki should be following Webb out of the exits. I feel bridges may have been burned with McShane, so it may be best for all concerned if he moves on.'"

Do you think the club would have offered Kylie a new deal only a few weeks ago if that were the case?

Personally I think Peacock & Leuluai can still do a job for Leeds. They just need to be used correctly, something we're not doing at the moment. Peacock is no longer a 60-80minute player

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OUT
Lee Smith, Clarkson, Webb, Mc Shane, Ambler, Griffin/Moore

IN
Lunt(if poss), Amor (re called), Chisholm, Singleton, Keinhorst

Lee Smith has failed to raise his game beyond mediocre and is exposed in any other position than wing where he is too slow.

Clarkson has been shocking and offers nothing in attack. Unfortunately our 2nd row has too many players that do little with ball in hand. Delaney is another average back rower that would fail to get into any other SL squad unless he is .

Mc Shane appears to be on his way. If so, yet another shambles of recruitment. Given a long term contract then discarded. Don't blame him for going.

Griffin/Moore. It would be harsh on Moore if he was shown the door but the pack needs bolstering. Although Kylie has had a good season it was wrong to give him another year.

Ambler can be let go as surplus to requirements.

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Quote: Rhino Bucs "OUT
Lee Smith, Clarkson, Webb, Mc Shane, Ambler, Griffin/Moore

IN
Lunt(if poss), Amor (re called), Chisholm, Singleton, Keinhorst

Lee Smith has failed to raise his game beyond mediocre and is exposed in any other position than wing where he is too slow.

Clarkson has been shocking and offers nothing in attack. Unfortunately our 2nd row has too many players that do little with ball in hand. Delaney is another average back rower that would fail to get into any other SL squad unless he is .

Mc Shane appears to be on his way. If so, yet another shambles of recruitment. Given a long term contract then discarded. Don't blame him for going.

Griffin/Moore. It would be harsh on Moore if he was shown the door but the pack needs bolstering. Although Kylie has had a good season it was wrong to give him another year.

Ambler can be let go as surplus to requirements.'"



I agree with your "outs" but think we can't fill all the positions with youngsters. We are world champions and I want us to remain at the top. We need 2/3 quality, experienced signings and hopefully Gary is going to deliver?

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