Absolutely spot on - the rubbish aimed at Schoey is well below the belt. He was a super player who clearly loved and still loves the club. Yes he has made mistakes in his life - who hasn't - but he's also done alot of good, both within the game and outside of it.

Even though I don't always agree with his point of view, it's refreshing to hear an ex-pro tell it how he really sees it - rather than just rolling out all the same old politically correct cliches we get from most.

At the end of the day, although he may be a pundit (of sorts), he is primarily a fan of the game and this club - and his opinions and criticisms are no worse than any you read on here. If the players don't want this sort of criticism, how about they put in some better performances and focus more on giving the supporters of this club their monies worth on a weekly basis instead of just for the last couple of months of a season.

I've alot of respect for JP, but today he has shown the petulant spoilt brat attitude that has become an unfortunate characteristic of this team.

Can you give an example of something you think he said but didn't mean just for attention. You think deep down he really supported the Crusaders?! He tips teams to win and others to lose. Big deal. There are loads like him in football, cricket and rugby union.

Ah the coaching dig. You'll be bringing up his lack of medals next. And he's put on a few pounds since he finished playing...!

He donated a Great Britian shirt he scored four tries in to help save your club. You don't have to like him, but a bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss...

He doesn't think Jamie Peacock is playing very well this season. Is he wrong in that, or simply wrong to say it?

I personally welcome input from ex-players whether positive or negative but slating teams /players for sake of it or to justify having a column is bollox.
I don't think anyone on here is claiming to be experts and our opinions are expressed as fans with emotion sometimes coming into it he just sits back and 90% of the time slags anyone and everyone.
As for the personal insults you have to draw the line somewhere true but have you forgotten how he's slated players like Mcguire ,Sinfield and the team in the past?
Never be good enough ,never be this never be that blah blah he's had more egg on his face from this group of players than Clarke has orgasms about the Pies.
His charity work is well known and to be applauded but does that mean we have no right to discuss or question his opinions or rants about our club and team?

Totally agree. G1 is the best poster on here, always has been. But you can bet your bottom dollar that as soon as GS's name comes up he'll come up with the 95CCF nonsense and the 'didn't sign for Wigan because he wouldn't have been able to get to training'. Like the extra 80K a year he'd have coined, not to mention a collossal signing on fee, wouldn't have gone towards a driver or a pad in Wigan!

With regards gallagher he's publicly stated he didn't rate or welcome him into the team .
As for pre CC final in 95 did Schoey not have said to with Hanley and others over SL contracts etc etc??
Also Why are Leeds a Disgrace to SL??
It's not always been a pundit either he's had a dig at certain players for years questioning their talent and bottle etc etc so WHEN/IF he's trying to raise an actual debate how do ou think people will react?
Some of his RFL views and the structure of SL are very good but why doesn't say WHO Leeds should pick ,sign or give an insight how they could change their style??

Do posters on here "slate teams /players for sake of it"? No, they just express their opinion, and that's all Garry does. You're a big Leeds fans and you want to protect your heroes. That's fine too.

Personal insults: Garry keeps it to rugby. Never a reference to someone being fat, ginger or whatever. (I use those examples as I am both btw!). But,k having said that, it doesn't bother him when he gets abuse. It just says more about JP in this instance than it does Garry.

Of course you have a right to discuss what he says. But I don't get those who conclude he's bitter, jealous, attention seeking or whatever.

He gets off the fence unlike most ex-players, and I think that's great.

Richard, the coaching bit wasn't a dig. You said he had no reason to be bitter because of his illustrious playing career. I pointed out he had reason to be bitter, that he'd tried and failed in coaching, which could be that elusive reason for bitterness.

Don't know about Gallagher at the time, but he certainly doesn't rate him when he looks back. As for 1995 he was (rightly) livid about the loyalty bonuses which were a total joke. Shaun Edwards didn't get one either although kids like Paul Cook and Nick Fozzard did. When Leeds went up to get their losers medals, a pretty well known player (not GS) called Maurice Lindsay a "ing " for the way things had been handled.

when has he called Leeds a disgrace to SL? I'm not disputing he has, but just curious to know when and where?

If you read the latest column, it does say who Leeds should sign (Luke Gale) and he does suggest other team changes.

Schoey says things that rub people up the wrong way and also things that are very true. I read the column and agreed with 95% of it.(the only points I disagreed with were the ones about Ablett and JJB having no presence) But to come on here and deride him as a loser because of his medal tally is juvenile at best.( and I really find G1's posts to be informative and balanced normally). Its like saying Neil Cowie or Ryan Bailey are 5 times the player Kevin Ward was because of their medals!!! Or as Richard has said E.T to Shane Perry. There are 100's of examples of people who are lucky enough to win things and other much better players who havent won anything. And before you say Kevin Ward won an ozzie grand final..so did Harvey Howard...

To be fair this is probably the first time ive seen someone defend GS on here, who knows him well and i'm afraid Richard_delariv has shown a few people on here up with the points he's stated. I bet Boots n all would be better if GS was a regular and would create more talking points, both good and bad. In fact there's quite a few people who have been on Super League Supermen who would be better on Boots n all including Bobbie Goulding and Mal Reilly than bland Paul Cullen and Shaun McRae or Phil Clarke

Rich-He's done it to most of this team for years though that's the point not just after the games like last Friday night?
Look back to 2004 we had a bit of a wobble and he stuck every boot in possible questioning their abillity and bottle ,07 ST's were superior etc etc ,there's countless times when yer left thinking what brought that on??
Then we get this week and because it's seen to be "par for the course" with schoey and Leeds he gets the reactions he has ,again the personal stuff isn't needed but when its happend consistently for years thats where i think the bitterness and jealousy comes from and it's not a personal talent level i think its Leeds as a team.

I have no more or less an agenda than you. You've met him and he created a positive impression. I, and many others, have met him and and he created the opposite impression.

BTW, if you're drawing Garry's attention to my posts for his twitter responses you might want to point out that my comments about Schofield's pre match focus in the 1995 Cup Final were drawn from Alan Tait's autobiography and IIRC Schofield's own autobiography. He was, I understand from those sources, more worried about the SL loyalty contracts the WIgan players were getting (and he wasn't) than the game he was about to play. My opinion of his "efforts" came from watching him. Not that he was alone, but, I don't recall him doinganything at all of note that day.

I was discussing his supposed jealousy of current players.

Bitterness? He's accused of that quite a lot. All I know is every time I'm in the company of him and other legends at charity functions etc, he's as popular as they come and he's the life and soul of the party. It couldn't be more at odds with how he's perceived.

As for his coaching, most great players fail in coaching, and I've met some real bitter ex-pros who can't get a gig of any sorts in the game. GS got over the Huddersfield sacking years ago and has freely admitted he got the job far too soon. As for Barrow, he'd long given up hope of coaching professionally again when that came up for him completely unexpectedly. He doesn't look back on that with any bitterness, just complete bemusement.

I've heard him speak with a bit of bitterness on a couple of issues regarding his playing career before, but never on coaching. He gave it a go and it didn't work out. There's no more to it than that for him.

Btw no disresepct intended here Andrew. Fully respect your opinons and enjoy reading your posts usually. Just less so on this

schoey went missing the the cup final of 1995

Peacock = Feckwitt

do you think it has ever occurred to Schoey when he is slating Carney/Wells/Kear on Sky for not having a clue as they are ex-wingers that Sky employ them because they are coherent and competent broadcasters, and he (with all his extensive knowledge and experience) is not?