Nant-It's frustrating of course it is and my opinions on some of the selections are well known BUT i support the club/team and that outweighs those i won't stop going or supporting because i disagree with some selections etc.

I'm not suggesting you stop going......and we ALL need to be grateful for guys like you who are the lifeblood and significant financiers of the game. A true supporter.

You allow us more mere 'floating' part time supporters to pick and choose our games.

Don't get your proverbials knotted....I [iused[/i to be a season ticket holder for many years and part of the appeal was the banter, meeting mates and a chance to get out a bit. (Let's face it, in the days I supported the club we won nowt and were always the underachievers).

Life, other commitments and a move to the other side of the world, before settling in deepest Cheshire then got in the way.

Daresay if I still lived in Leeds I would be one of the "mugs" still buying a regular season ticket as well as the annual sky subscription

Yup, me too, except my money is limited to my Sky subscription and the odd Leeds game.

Great post.

Excellent post. Retrieved all my programmes and Open Rugbys from 1987 onwards from mothers loft. My 9 year old nephew looked at these and asked why did Leeds get beat by Widnes... Took a long time to explain that they beat us regularly!! If you're a Loiner you're a loiner forever...

! If you're a Loiner you're a loiner forever...'"

Quite. Being a loiner equates to your social roots and relationships formed, your sense of belonging and your definitive sense of who you are in relation to the city of Leeds where you were born, raised and in many cases continue to reside.

The same does not apply to being a rhino because the rhinos is a commodity just like any other commodity which you can select to purchase from a shelf in a store among other competing-for-your-attention commodities on the market. This is why we end up with rastrick rhinos, batley rhinos, fieldhead rhinos, middleton rhinos, mirfield rhinos, farsley rhinos, etc, who do not belong and would have no affiliation to being a loiner - they are just purchasing a brand-name commodity from an out-of-town store because it's unavailable in their local store. And because it's only a commodity bearing no relation to oneself, that commodity can also be rejected on the grounds of not being of satisfactory quality - not as described - not fit for the purpose, etc, to be replaced with an alternative commodity purchase.

If someone pops into a supermarket, they may be tempted to purchase a commodity they wouldn't normally be interested in on the basis that if they buy one, they get another free. When it's discovered that commodity lacks quality, they rarely purchase it again. They would be less tempted by an offer consisting of buy 11 get 2 free, yet that's how the commodity of a season ticket works and is successfully marketed. And it works because many consumers are manipulated through successful marketing to attach an irrational devotion or fetish to that commodity - in this case, the rhinos commodity - which they apply excessive attention and reverence to. But it's just a commodity like any other when you cut through the marketing spin and expose it for what it really is.

I've never purchased a rhinos season ticket because I regard it as nothing more than a commodity just like any other commodity competing for my purchasing attention. It has no meaning beyond that - unlike the sense of real loiner community belonging which I had a personal and real attachment to prior to Super League. I don't regard the rhinos commodity as of satisfactory quality or fit for the purpose. I don't purchase 13 items from a supermarket (even if 2 are free) when I know that the vast majority of them are going to be rubbish, therefore I don't purchase 13 rounds of commodity rhinos regular round meaningless rubbish either.

Not being funny. because you've used a lot of long words there that I think makes you feel superior. I love that the RHINOS can attract supporters from miles away, however, I was talking about 20 years ago, you know when you didn't talk down to people?

Keith - read that absolute insular post again and I feel sorry for you. Do you take the bulbs out before bed in case someone nicks em?

Keith, I know you think you're sounding smart and wise but you really aren't.

Some people are implying Season Ticket holders are 'mugs' for paying to watch a game they enjoy whatever happens results wise.
I would suggest people who spend their free time on a rugby league fan site complaining about a sport they seem to no longer like are the real 'mugs'.

Also, to insinuate that Leeds (or any other team) lose a game because they 'switch off during the regular season' knowing they can make up for it come playoff time is damn well disrespectful to those MEN.
Its also damn well disrespectful to the players of Saints, Hudds and Bradford to offer a reason of recent loses to 'Leeds lose because they know it doesn't matter'. Coming up with reasons why a team lose instead of reasons why a team won a game perhaps shows more about your negative way of thinking than it does the current state of Super League.

Leeds continue with the backrow they have and the play offs will be a waste of time this year. It's quite a while since we had such an average starting backrow. No pace, no passing offloading ability. Ablest needs to be back outwide and give a youngster a go until players are back. You need pace in your backrow when your props don't have it either. Their defence is good, not going to take that away from them, but the flow of attack stops there.

Just picking a programme off the pile.

Leeds at home to Sheffield

Gibbons A
Fallon
Iro
Francis
Hassan
Holroyd
Gibbons D
Harvey
Shaw although my notes say Newton
Barrie
Moz
Ming
Forshaw
Golden
Picchi
Mann
Foz

My point being. You're damn right we've seen worse.