This seemss to be creating an issue that doesn't exist. Its on par with the whole racism in football thing - the way footballers and other "personalities" have been harping on about it lately, you'd think that it is inherent in every football ground on a weekly basis, whereas in reality, the only two racist incidents of this season have been down to two utter clowns making a racist comment. Imagine what would happen if everyone started chucking bananas in this country. I've never known of any homophobia in RL. Don't believe the hype.

I really didn't want to get dragged into this, but please, let me clarify my position.

I'm not saying being gay is a choice. I do not doubt that gay people feel very real, natural urges towards people of the same sex. What I believe is that God has made it clear that such relations are sinful and that gay people should refrain from acting on their urges, perhaps in the same way someone should abstain from sex before marriage.

I'm not saying that it would be easy, but I believe in living by the Bible. That's the way it is.

I really didn't want to get bogged down in theology, I just wanted to make the point that you cannot change your race or disability, but you can choose to refrain from homosexual acts (which, as pointed out earlier, is the sin, not the 'orientation').

I suppose it's a good stance taken by the club. Personally I couldn't care less if some one wants to weigh anchor in poo bay. It doesn't matter if we're gay,straight or Australian in my book.

Care to let us know where in the bible same-sex relationships are condemned?

There was a thread regarding Racism in general on here a season or two back, which was a fairly interesting read, and this could be a similar thread. There wont be too many people on here brave enough to offer a different perspective to the anti homophobia line with any sort of application like you have done already, so if this thread picks up into something interesting, i hope you make yourself a part of it.

For my money, please read Norman Stanley Fletchers previous post.

I cant see that judging someone for the colour of their skin is any more arbitrary than judging someone for where they put their willy.
Neither seem to be a good indicator of the quality of that person in my experience.

I fully understand and agree with what you are saying, although your final comment, I find a little bazar. There are many Leeds Rhinos fans who happen to be LGBT...

Ronnie Rhino has attended Leeds Pride for the last few years, the largest event in the City Centre with 23,000 people attending for one day!

Don't you just hate Religion and its illogical beliefs. Who is this god fellow anyway ? What choice has he given to millions of hindus and countless other belevers in other gods indoctrinated purely through an accident of birth ? Why did he happily allow beliefs in many gods prior to making his appearance in judiasm if it is such a sin ? Why is he so indiscriminate in his punishments when supposedly such a supreme being ? You could say he is a bit of a devil really. Who created him then ? Bit useless of a supreme all powerful being to allow competition to thrive. Indeed who created god ? And if we were created in his image why the hell has he got sinuses that drain upwards ? Great design that one. Complements the human birth ( why did he not make us marsupials ? ) and the wasp that lays its eggs inside live prey right good. Lovely. How do you know the hindus are wrong ? The maoris ? The incas ? The jehovah witnesses ? The bluddy druids ? You don't .. Nobody does. Stop wasting your life. Atheism rules.
The bible was written by men at a time of relative scientific ignorance. Nothing more. Ditto the koran. Do muslims ever question how they would obey ramadam if they lived well inside the arctic circle? I am not into gay love myself but if two consenting adults want to indulge so be it.

I believe it's a sin to call it a sin ..... And my god is better than your god.

... And another thing ..give me two consenting adults anytime over a jerk who uses the " respectable " cloak of religion to justify impregnating multiple young girls barely into puberty as his divinely endorsed polygamised right... . Or those that fly innocent children into American skyscrapers carrying out god's pretty crude will.

Thing is though, as unpalatable as it to all ? of us here, it is just as likely that one of these gods might be the true god as much as we might want to believe otherwise. We all believe what we want to believe, or what is indoctrinated into us...nobody ( not even me ) can state unequivocably they are right.
Hedge your bets anyone ? Believe in all gods just to be on the safe side. That's a tricky one though. Think I might just go for worshiping the creator of our creator ...and all the other creators.... She ? must be something special. Unless she was also created ......? In which case....

Anyway - what does this entail? What did the Eagles do as part of this campaign?

You get to wear a shirt for one game of the season, the press come and take photos, get a quote from Elton John - and then the rest of the world continues on its merry way.

I applaud your faith and your sincerity and indeed admire it for I know that I could not uphold such blind allegiance to a faith of any description particularly when you consider that the historic base of all religion is control of the population, hence its keen adoption by royalty down through the ages especially when being royal was putting yourself in a very shaky position indeed, theres nothing quite like declaring yourself as the representative of a God to maintain your position in the hierarchy.

I would however question your last paragraph as it seems to be constructed in a convenient way for you to be critical of homosexuality while having some sort of logical structure to your belief.

If its true that you cannot change race or disability (which patently it is) and you accept that homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice (which you do), then how can and why should homosexuals be expected to refrain from sexual contact for the whole of their lives, and its not just christianity who treat homosexual physical contact in this discriminatory way.

The "its not natural" argument doesn't hold any water because its perfectly natural in the "natural" world amongst all animal species, so there is another reason for wanting to bar homosexual contact isn't there ?

Ah, so you base your arguement on the fact that chimps do it, ergo we as part of the animal kingdom should also embrace sodomy? I'm sure you are aware that gang rape, murder and cannibilism are also part of the chimps lifestyle, should we also accept that as "natural" behaviour as well? Life in Horsforth has certainly changed over the last 30 years!

Why not simply accept, that there is a large swath of the population who do not really care what the gay people do in the persuit of their personal happiness, but would simply prefer that they get on with it, without constantly attempting to justify their inclinations, or by belittling others beliefs? Live and let live Mcf. Until it gets made compulsory....

And if we're going to to persue the pink pound as part of a marketing ploy, can I make a plea to The Management to have them allocated their own part of the ground. The last thing I want, is to be sat in the northstand with my view of the pitch obscurred by row upon row of Boy George hat wearing types, ooohing and aaahing everytime Ryan hall zooms by.

Oh come on Billy, get out of the closet.