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| Thought sinfield had a good game but agree with most posters above. Would have him at loose not scrum half!
Slightly OT but thought JJB had a good game yesterday
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| Chase at international level so far has been poor IMO, 'Big fish in small pond' is very apt in this case.
With the squad MacNamara's got, I would go with Sinfield & McGuire, but had there been other options at S/H then one of Burrow, Myler, Brough or Robinson would have got a chance for mine.
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| Quote: nantwichexile "...against the Aussies, surely ? He's the Melbourne regular there
Sinfield controlled the game on saturday, allbeit against wales.
I'd keep the same 17, except someone with more physicality on the bench instead of wilkin.
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| Sinfield played most of the match at stand off and it was in this position that he played important parts in several tries with astute passes including giving Tompkins the space he needed to excel. He was one of our best players. Why is this not being acknowledged?
It was in fact Chase who looked lost in the scrum half role and failed to provide a link. He seemed to be playing a 2nd stand off role on the blind side. He also made some bad decisions and was not at all sharp.
When Widdop replaced Chase, Sinfield went to SH and Wippop at 6 did nothing of note except one run.
Later Chase returned for Roby (who was also a bit below par) and Sinfield then took over at hooker and supplied some good distribution.
Without a dynamic SH in the side we need the sort of creative passing game that Sinfield supplies so I would keep him there. If he keeps creating tries why change. At this level he may no be physically big enough to play at 13.
It is too late to make many changes against Australia but I would consider playing Widdop at centre for Yeaman and having an extra forward on the bench.
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| first of all I think KS is a LF and not a SO but think he's done a good job for us and continues to do well for England. It's back to the old chesnut two stars from different clubs can't gell, no way Chase will be able to read what Sinny is going to do and vice versa. Most pairings/triangle no each others play and are able most of the time to be in the right place. Better a hard working player than a flash in the pan. Do think that we should find a place for Widdop though, i think we are very weak in the centre both defensively and in creation agree with Julian we should swap for Yeaman. Also thought JJB had a good game and love him or loath him young sam T is exciting.
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| The rest of the England team must bend over backwards and alternate position at every Sinny whim because it's clear that Sinny demands the role of stand off, scrum half, hooker, kicker, organiser and loose forward all rolled into one.
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| Quote: digger47 "first of all I think KS is a LF and not a SO but think he's done a good job for us and continues to do well for England. It's back to the old chesnut two stars from different clubs can't gell, no way Chase will be able to read what Sinny is going to do and vice versa. Most pairings/triangle no each others play and are able most of the time to be in the right place. Better a hard working player than a flash in the pan. Do think that we should find a place for Widdop though, i think we are very weak in the centre both defensively and in creation agree with Julian we should swap for Yeaman. Also thought JJB had a good game and love him or loath him young sam T is exciting.'"
It s Juan not Julian (or Sandy!) Agree about JJB
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| ON one hand I agree. Sinfield is not an international class 6. However, he is able to organise the team, and had a very good game on Saturday. Widdop may to a better job, but if I was going to replace any of the halves on Saturday it'd be chase
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| Quote: Ferdy "Slightly OT but thought JJB had a good game yesterday'"
Had a strong second half.
He was very quiet in his first stint, not much on the activity levels which is very un-like JJB.
Ellis was also quiet in the first half.
I just feel someone needs to grab this England team by the scruff of the neck and tell them what move etc to play.
Oh I'm still really glad that Wilkin is playing. Poor last week, awful this week. But don't worry he's in the form of his life.
I think changes will be made next week. The real games start.
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| Quote: leicester_rhino "ON one hand I agree. Sinfield is not an international class 6. However, he is able to organise the team, and had a very good game on Saturday. Widdop may to a better job, but if I was going to replace any of the halves on Saturday it'd be chase'"
I've always held reservations about Sinfield internationally because his usual role at club level is a very overbearing and demanding one in which he needs to exert practically all control and organisation along key positions 6, 7, 9 and 13 as well as most kicking duties. He may be effective interchanging throughout a game between all those positions in Super League but I don't believe that role translates very effectively at international level against top class opposition because he isn't international class in any of those positions.
Having said all that, when he is selected then the only benefit I can see is to allow him to play the same role for England as he plays for Leeds by being the fulcrum of everything the team does. And no, I don't believe he's good enough to carry that role off against the likes of Australia or NZ. Andy Farrell wasn't either and he was a class above Sinfield as a player.
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| Whats wrong with playing sinfield at 13 and widdop and chase in the halves?
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| A clear definition of "international class" might help with selection debates.
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| Quote: DHM "A clear definition of "international class" might help with selection debates.'"
[iAntipodean[/i international class would probably offer a better clearer definition. Any other national "competition" is no more than [isecond rate[/i class
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| There needs to be some changes to face Australia.
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| MacBanana is too proud or too stupid to show he was wrong. He stuck with a losing formula at Bradford, he sticks with Peacock as captain when the guy can barely hold a conversation - if Sinfield plays he has to be captain & call all the shots, he will stick with the same halves, he will stick with Wilkin - the ultimate flat track bully. JJB is not big enough at this level to excel but he puts every ounce into everything he does, Wilkin contributes nothing.
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