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Quote: nantwichexile "Have said the same; most recently after last week's Warrington victory. At least one other actually stated it was a great tactical move by McDermott to not play him for the full 80 until that penultimate match.
Another great performance from Buderus. But he has had many other great performances this season when not on for the full 80. (as has JP, JJB. RB etc)

Not for the first time Nantwich that you have under estimated our Champion coach Brian McDermott and his tactics

Firstly the hooker is the most physically demanding position on the field and most teams including St Helens and Warrington rest their first choice at some stage in the game. As Buderus is coming to end of his outstanding career it is a good idea to also allow him a rest for most normal league games. Not being on for the full 80 has not diminished his performances for Leeds.

Secondly it is only in the last few games that McGuire has regained some speed, fitness and form. Until this happened Sinfield had to continue to play at 6. Therefore Burrow had to be used as an impact player coming on at 9 and only reverting to 7 when Buderus returned to the field later in the games. This also allowed McGuire to regain some game time at 6 late in the latter games.

As McGuire came back to form as the end of the season approached Macca then had the option to bring on Burrow at 7 and move McGuire to 6 with some extra confidence. As we came to the final two games of his Leeds career Buderus could play the full 80 with less risk of burning out a key player. This fine player wanted to go out on a high and being the professional that he is rose to the occasion.

Why can you not see that the coach was being tactically astute in using his resources in this manner?
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I've been a critic of McDermott as most on here will recognise. I criticised him when it was justified, so now it's fair to praise him when it's justified.

His use of Buderus, McGuire and Burrow has been perfect. It's ensured that not only has each player been given the opportunity to play themselves into form, but each player is fresh enough at the end of the year to do the business.

Great piece of coaching and tactical awareness.
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lets hope his legacy with Hood and Mcshane lives long and bright

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Quote: nantwichexile "Have said the same; most recently after last week's Warrington victory. At least one other actually stated it was a great tactical move by McDermott to not play him for the full 80 until that penultimate match.
It was a great tactical. He'd have been burnt out playing 80 minutes every week. In a similar way JP used to rarely play 80 mins in 2007-9 but did in the big games at the business end of the season.

Do you still think starting Sinfield at stand off is the enormous mistake you did a few weeks ago?
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Quote: batleyrhino "I've been a critic of McDermott as most on here will recognise. I criticised him when it was justified, so now it's fair to praise him when it's justified.

His use of Buderus, McGuire and Burrow has been perfect. It's ensured that not only has each player been given the opportunity to play themselves into form, but each player is fresh enough at the end of the year to do the business.

Great piece of coaching and tactical awareness.'"


The criticism of McDermott was always justified. Leeds were rubbish for most of the season and his comments about errors and incomplete sets being irrelevant and boring was nonsense of the highest order. Leeds improved title-winning form by the end of the season was mainly down to addressing those very issues which had plagued them all season... indiscipline, backchat, penalties, incomplete sets, errors aplenty. McDermott's tactical switch and usage of Burrow along with the increasingly influential Buderus factor (Michael Monaghan eat your heart out) definitely provided Leeds with the additional edge.

I'm not a huge fan of McDermott. I didn't want him as coach but once he was handed the job, he deserved 2 or 3 years at least to make his mark. I still remain unconvinced by him in charge but it was the sundry knee-jerk calls for his sacking and a TAXI out of Headingley which were OTT, not the criticism.
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Quote: Andy R "It was a great tactical. He'd have been burnt out playing 80 minutes every week. In a similar way JP used to rarely play 80 mins in 2007-9 but did in the big games at the business end of the season.

Do you still think starting Sinfield at stand off is the enormous mistake you did a few weeks ago?'"


I think all of us, except possibly Aston Wilson, can be glad that nantwichexile is not our coach.
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Quote: craigizzard "I think all of us, except possibly Aston Wilson, can be glad that nantwichexile is not our coach.'"


Ahem ! I had the prior foresight to our incumbent coach that Delaney was the better second rower than Ablett; Ablett the better centre ( I received a lot of abuse for daring to suggest that). I also encouraged the role of Burrow as impact hooker from the bench long before McDermott. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg
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Quote: nantwichexile "As for Sinfield at stand off (Andy) ....undoubtedly a place has to be found for the incontrovertible inspirational skipper, but nobody can convince me that he is nothing other than an adequate in the role. I still see him as a better LF.'"


Just in case you hadn't noticed - he doesn't do too much differently whichever position he plays.

I'd say a 2 Grand Final winning, international stand off is more than adequate. At the very least I'd take him over Smith and Hardaker there!
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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Another great performance from Buderus. But he has had many other great performances this season when not on for the full 80. (as has JP, JJB. RB etc)

Not for the first time Nantwich that you have under estimated our Champion coach Brian McDermott and his tactics

Firstly the hooker is the most physically demanding position on the field and most teams including St Helens and Warrington rest their first choice at some stage in the game. As Buderus is coming to end of his outstanding career it is a good idea to also allow him a rest for most normal league games. Not being on for the full 80 has not diminished his performances for Leeds.

Secondly it is only in the last few games that McGuire has regained some speed, fitness and form. Until this happened Sinfield had to continue to play at 6. Therefore Burrow had to be used as an impact player coming on at 9 and only reverting to 7 when Buderus returned to the field later in the games. This also allowed McGuire to regain some game time at 6 late in the latter games.

As McGuire came back to form as the end of the season approached Macca then had the option to bring on Burrow at 7 and move McGuire to 6 with some extra confidence. As we came to the final two games of his Leeds career Buderus could play the full 80 with less risk of burning out a key player. This fine player wanted to go out on a high and being the professional that he is rose to the occasion.

Why can you not see that the coach was being tactically astute in using his resources in this manner?'"



Resting him for mere "normal league games" was undoubtedly a contributory reason for the final league positioning. Are you really suggesting McDermott planned that ? It was a tactical decison to reach the GF and win by finishing in such a lowly position ?? icon_eek.gif
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Quote: Andy R "Just in case you hadn't noticed - he doesn't do too much differently whichever position he plays.

I'd say a 2 Grand Final winning, international stand off is more than adequate. At the very least I'd take him over Smith and Hardaker there!'"


Of course...but that equates to a better LF than SO. Taking him over Smith aint saying much really I'm afraid to say....and of course Hardaker isn't ready [ijust[/i yet.

Would you take Sinfield at SO over any other SO in SL ?? (Ignoring his role as the inspirational captain that of course nobody can contest)
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Quote: nantwichexile "Resting him for mere "normal league games" was undoubtedly a contributory reason for the final league positioning. Are you really suggesting McDermott planned that ? It was a tactical decison to reach the GF and win by finishing in such a lowly position ??
No, I think he's suggesting that Bedsy is no longer up to playing 80 minutes week in, week out. Something he could no longer do before he joined us and wasn't likely to be able to do 3 years and a serious injury later. Had he done that his 2 world class performances in two of our biggest games of the season might have been less impressive
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Quote: nantwichexile "Of course...but that equates to a better LF than SO. Taking him over Smith aint saying much really I'm afraid to say....and of course Hardaker isn't ready [ijust[/i yet.

Would you take Sinfield at SO over any other SO in SL ?? (Ignoring his role as the inspirational captain that of course nobody can contest)'"


Smith was tongue in cheek as last year you suggested he might be the answer there.

I'd suggest he'd have got into the following sides at Stand Off this year:

Wigan (with Finch at 7)
Saints (alongside one of the 2 youngsters)
Hull
Hull KR
Cas (with Chase at 7)
Bradford
Salford
Wakefield
Quins
Crusaders

The fact he would struggle to replace Briers/Myler, Brown/Brough is largely down to the fact that they need the quicker half to play alongside the organiser.
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Quote: Andy R "No, I think he's suggesting that Bedsy is no longer up to playing 80 minutes week in, week out. Something he could no longer do before he joined us and wasn't likely to be able to do 3 years and a serious injury later. Had he done that his 2 world class performances in two of our biggest games of the season might have been less impressive'"



Perhaps we should take such a cautious position with all our recognised game winners and have all of Burrow, McGuire, Sinfield, Hall etc sat on the bench to prolong their careers at the club icon_biggrin.gif
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Quote: Andy R "Smith was tongue in cheek as last year you suggested he might be the answer there.

I'd suggest he'd have got into the following sides at Stand Off this year

Never stated he would be the "answer" there, merely he might be worth a try (when he seemed sharper and fitter) in the role.

As for the clubs you suggest Sinfield would command the SO position.....doesn't say much for the standards in the SL does it ?

Let me make this clear....I LIKE THE GUY. He needs to be included in the team. He is a BRILLIANT captain...at SO he fulfills the need adequately. At LF he fulfills the need better.

I believe Ablett would go better there...but Sinfield MUST be included and LF is his position IMO.
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Quote: nantwichexile "Perhaps we should take such a cautious position with all our recognised game winners and have all of Burrow, McGuire, Sinfield, Hall etc sat on the bench to prolong their careers at the club
Perhaps, hooker is a position in the modern game where very few players play 80 minutes, let alone 32/3? year olds whose bodies have played at the top level for their entire careers.
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