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got to go ali for me if you watch the last 2 games kirke comes on and plays about 10mins then you dont see him again why? and can anyone tell me when he last scored or made a try or broke a tackle also for me ali will get the team going when he comes on look at him in the grand final the other year
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You come at the king - You better not miss.
It ain't what you takin', it's who you takin' from, ya feel me? How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies?:41106.jpg |
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "Did you see the interview given by Sinfield in the Sky pre match build up? He spoke very well and said some good positive things about coach BM. One point was he said that last year the players were not sure of their roles and this is one of the things that BM has put right this year but it has taken time.
So the team selections are based on players fullfilling the exact role that has been allocated so they all know where they are. Kirke has shown improvement this year and perhaps he is fullfilling the role of sub prop with orders to defend around the ruck and not miss tackles and give away penalties. In this he has been successful. It is a similar role that Bailey used to fulfill (with the exception of giving away penalties).
This year Bailey has been asked to improve his go forward which he also has done sucessfully. If Big Mac has improved the performances of two long term 'bench subs' then this indeed shows good coaching skills.
Maybe next year he can teach Kirke to improve his go forward game as well! And if he can get Webb to stop making forward passes he will become coach of the year!
Spot on that IMO
As others have said it's not about Kirke or Ali it's Hauraki or Ali. Ali is clearly the more dangerous player of the two but Hauraki will put more work in for the side. After Fridays team performance I can't see why anyone would drop the "grafter" for a more explosive player.
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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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Ali would offer so much more than Kirke as an interchange prop and so much more than Hauraki full stop.
I hope he gets his last hurrah but sadly don't think he will.
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Ali > Kirke > Hauraki.
I think the phrase is "end of..."
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| Quote: batleyrhino "Ali > Kirke > Hauraki.
I think the phrase is "end of..."'"
Apart from the opinions of a string of people who are paid to make that decision, and have been pretty successful in doing that. |
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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: leicester_rhino "Apart from the opinions of a string of people who are paid to make that decision, and have been pretty successful in doing that.'"
During their respective careers Kirke has been selected in two finals where Ali has not been selected. I wouldn't call the outcome of those games successful. |
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Ryan Bailey (11/11/83) - The Most Feared Man In Super League
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| Quote: Wheels "He smashed Solomona in the first half'"
yes he did. I noted that.
But he spoilt it by apologising for it.
That about sums him up. Big unit, so we should see hits like this regular. But he doesn't have the mental aggression to see things through.
Look at Baileys hit on Morley (another ball spiller) after that did you see Bailey show concern? Nup, he looked over him and enjoyed the moment. You can see he gets off on it.
That rawness you cannot coach in or out of someone. That is a problem for me. |
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agree kirke should display more aggression. It appears he's happy fulfilling his cameo rather than improving.
I too would expect a special swansong from ali if he got the nod
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| Quote: MjM "Agree, in fact many of McDermott's decisions in team I totally agree with, especially the benching of Burrow which should have been done years ago. '"
I really don't understand why people were critical of that particular tactic. Right from the start, it looked like a smart move to me.
On Kirke, as someone has mentioned, he clearly plays the role that he is asked to. He's been a regular in the team under the last 3 coaches (including the great Tony Smith) and played in all 3 of the GF wins over Saints, arguments that have all been used in favour of Bailey in the past, yet somehow it's different for Kirke? |
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| Quote: GCM1980 "I really don't understand why people were critical of that particular tactic. Right from the start, it looked like a smart move to me.
On Kirke, as someone has mentioned, he clearly plays the role that he is asked to. He's been a regular in the team under the last 3 coaches (including the great Tony Smith) and played in all 3 of the GF wins over Saints, arguments that have all been used in favour of Bailey in the past, yet somehow it's different for Kirke?'"
Most can see what Bailey brings to the table (if limited); most can't see what Kirke does that others could do ( [iat least[/i ) just as easily. His presence is incidental to those victories, as it is to the defeats at Wembley.
Tell me please what Kirke offers over Ali ?
Tell me what Kirke offers over Amor ?
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wireflyer33 wrote:- i will get back to you tomorrow,will be to0 hung over tonight after wires win in the g/f- as for wire having to play above themselves to beat leeds all wire need to do is play them like we did at wembley anyway,got to go,i have a g/f to go too,have a nice day watching wire lift the g/f trophy:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_45902.jpg |
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| Quote: nantwichexile "
Tell me please what Kirke offers over Ali ?
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Fitness and the ability to usually finish a game without limping off springs to mind . |
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| Quote: Buck Tarbrush "Fitness and the ability to usually finish a game without limping off springs to mind .'"
Not surprising though is it when he only plays ten minutes and makes a couple of ineffective drives  |
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| Quote: nantwichexile "Most can see what Bailey brings to the table (if limited); most can't see what Kirke does that others could do ( [iat least[/i ) just as easily. His presence is incidental to those victories, as it is to the defeats at Wembley.
Tell me please what Kirke offers over Ali ?
Tell me what Kirke offers over Amor ?
I'm willing to be educated ![]()
I'm probably not the best person to educate you. But if you ever get the chance to speak to our previous 2 Grand Final winning coaches, be sure to ask them what Kirke offers.
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| Quote: GCM1980 "I'm probably not the best person to educate you. But if you ever get the chance to speak to our previous 2 Grand Final winning coaches, be sure to ask them what Kirke offers.'"
I dread to think  |
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| Quote: nantwichexile "Most can see what Bailey brings to the table (if limited); most can't see what Kirke does that others could do ( [iat least[/i ) just as easily. His presence is incidental to those victories, as it is to the defeats at Wembley.
Tell me please what Kirke offers over Ali ?
Tell me what Kirke offers over Amor ?
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Kirke should not be compared to Ali. Completely different players, playing different positions.
Kirke over Amor? A decent track record of being steady & reliable. He's not there to make huge meters. he's there to be a body in defence (usually for a short time whilst peacock is off). A job he does pretty well. People (rightly) criticise his work in attack, but seem to forget that defence is arguably a more important part to the game
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