Its a good point.....I also give you Michael Monaghan at Wire....

So 8 games in losing 3 proves that we should of ditched Disko?
Lets get 1 thing straight i think Buderus has had some good games and some not so good and i rate Mcshane highly but we've won naff all and far from proved that Diskin going to the Bulls was a great call.
If he continues last nights form and we win a trophy or he leads us well to a finall and performs as the 9 for 75%+ of the game then fair enough but lets not start another p!$$ing comp when the season isn't even half way through.
P.s Good point Batley Rhino.

Buderus put in one of his best performances for Leeds last night. I don’t think that anyone has ever doubted for one minute that Buderus is a better player to watch than Matt Diskin. However as rhinoms said - Matt Diskin did bring the goods to Leeds. If Danny Buderus brings in no trophies, he’ll just go down with a long line of great players to have played for Leeds and not to win a trophy.

Overall, I’ve enjoyed Danny here, but they’ll always be that niggling doubt!

Danny Buderus' qualities as a rugby player will be no more defined by Grand Final rings than Ellery Hanley's will be defined by Ashes success.

Indeed.

Ellery who?

Hanley.

Unlike Buderus he had a significant amount of success at club level in this country.

Also unlike Buderus he managed to maintain his standards when he left his native league and play overseas.

It's unfair to compare Buderus coming to SL at the back end of his career with Hanley playing in Australia close to the peak of his career.

Better to say that both came to Leeds at similar ages, with big reputations (and salaries allegedly) and neither won any silverware (so far in DB's case, anyway).

Just thought I'd fix the bit you missed out, not that there is any agenda from you of course.

How many GF's did Ellery win in the game's premier competition?

How many wins did he partake at international level?

Both are good players - difference is to play for Australia in a key position you have to be an exceptional player - sadly the same cannot be said of playing for GB/England in any position!!

....Did you ever see Hanley play???....Comparing him and Buderus??....

Hanley is the greatest British player of the last 30 years and if he was playing today would stand out like a huge sore thumb, among the robots who play today's version of the game.

If Hanley had been Australian, he'd have been as big as Langer or Johns, he was that good.

I actually said he'd have been as big as, not better than, and I stick by that.

At international level, Hanley had to play with a lot of mediocrity around him, and so he suffered...At club level, he has a medal cabinet as packed as any Australian you may wish to mention.

At club level he played in a side that was the only full time side in a part time league!! no wonder he had a huge medal collection. Soon as he returned to the norm his medal collection really dried up. There were a number of players who turned out for Wigan who won a host of medal - doesn't make them world beaters.

Hanley only played a handful of games in the NRL choosing the easy option of the English league - shame he wasn't up for the challenge of a full time career in the toughest league. Big fish in a small pond