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Quote: rhinoms "Without getting into a pi$$ing comp were Buderus and Diskin not rated for their individual Rhinos performances fairly last season?
Bjb was onto a winner going out on loan and GH saw that ,Delaney was signed as a centre the other option Watkins got injured early on.
Delaney was unfairly scape-goated at times when the whole team were struggling and there clearly was'nt a back-row spot available to him.'"


I have every respect for you and your optimism/faith in the club's decisions...but:

1/ Diskin was "accomodated" IMO
2/ Why limit the options in any position ?
3/ I could always see Delaney's virtues of hard drives and good tackling...but it seemed to be incongruous to being a good centre. I am happy he is getting a run in the second row. He deserves it.
4/ "Not available to him" makes no sense. No position should be made exclusive to certain individuals only.

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Quote: Sam Buca II "1-17 impressed this eve.'"


Lee Smith impressed? icon_eek.gif

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Delaney was superb in the second row.
Ablett looked competent at loose forward again.
BJB, Bedsy, Burrow and Sini all superb.
The forwards as a unit put in a really good performance, especially considering the injuries.

Senior yet to his his stride this season, Smith looked dodgy as well. Find that one strange as he looked immense on New Years Day and I was expecting him to come out strong this season.

All in all an encouraging game though. Thought Silverwood had a superb game (save one or two decisions that went our way) and it's just a shame Eddie and Stevo still quote the rules incorrectly.

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Quote: Hopie "not really a shock, just impossible to say for sure that he can do 80mins week in week out for Leeds until we have seen him do it, still haven't I guess it is, but his playing career suggests it shouldn't be problem.

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Quote: RhinoNeil "Lee Smith impressed?
Glad he was on the bench tonight though. Do you still think he is a wasted option as a sub ?

Even if Webb had not been injured his presence there effectively makes Senior the fourth forward sub option... if needed. Neither though should be guaranteed a place....in my mind both come behind BJB and Watkins in the pecking order for 2011.

Silverwood had a good game tonight I must add too.

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Delaney
Burrow
Kylie
in no particular order were the top 3 performers IMO in a promising team performance.

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Nantwich ......
You've had that opinon from day 1 about Disko and fair play to yer but when we signed Buderus it was to play 2 hookers.
As frustrating as it was at times both warranted selection for most of the time and the same could of been said about Buderus at times especially during his 1st year when in all honesty he had about 4/5 games where he showed his true quality imo.
I don't think it was a case of "limiting" our options it was much better to get Bjb out on loan to Quinns for a full yr in SL rather than have him hanging around in the u20's waiting for injuries ,it also helped him see 1st hand SL RL week in week out rather than a couple of apearances here and there then back in the reserves.
Others saw delaneys good leg drive etc and mentioned it aswell but he was signed as RC and ddeserved to be given at least the full season to settle in that position.
There is'nt a restriction as such on who plays where but there is a "pecking order" and Delaney was'nt amongst that for the Back-row which is'nt unreasonable given who was in front of him at the time.

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Quote: rhinoms "Nantwich ......
You've had that opinon from day 1 about Disko and fair play to yer but when we signed Buderus it was to play 2 hookers.
As frustrating as it was at times both warranted selection for most of the time and the same could of been said about Buderus at times especially during his 1st year when in all honesty he had about 4/5 games where he showed his true quality imo.
I don't think it was a case of "limiting" our options it was much better to get Bjb out on loan to Quinns for a full yr in SL rather than have him hanging around in the u20's waiting for injuries ,it also helped him see 1st hand SL RL week in week out rather than a couple of apearances here and there then back in the reserves.
Others saw delaneys good leg drive etc and mentioned it aswell but he was signed as RC and ddeserved to be given at least the full season to settle in that position.
There is'nt a restriction as such on who plays where but there is a "pecking order" and Delaney was'nt amongst that for the Back-row which is'nt unreasonable given who was in front of him at the time.'"


We'll just have to disagree...but why do you state BJB would have had to "hang around waiting for injuries" ??? Who do you think was immune from de-selection in his favour ??
A waste of a year IMO. (He could have played centre at least if not FB...allowing Delaney to have competed effectively for a second row spot. Another waste of [ihis [/iyear playing centre).

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Quote: nantwichexile "Glad he was on the bench tonight though. Do you still think he is a wasted option as a sub ?

Even if Webb had not been injured his presence there effectively makes Senior the fourth forward sub option... if needed. Neither though should be guaranteed a place....in my mind both come behind BJB and Watkins in the pecking order for 2011.

Silverwood had a good game tonight I must add too.'"


Suprisingly, i agree with you. Smith was handy to have on the bench, whether it be to fill in at FB, Wing or Centre.

I thought he did what was asked of him. Nothing more or less.

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Quote: nantwichexile "We'll just have to disagree...but why do you state BJB would have had to "hang around waiting for injuries" ??? Who do you think was immune from de-selection in his favour ??
A waste of a year IMO. (He could have played centre at least if not FB...allowing Delaney to have competed effectively for a second row spot. Another waste of [ihis [/iyear playing centre).'"

Bjb is and always was a FB who could maybe cover wing or centre and when he played Wing he did'nt look overly comfortable.
Now at the start of last year Webb was 1st choice FB and the wingers were Donald and Hall with Watkins the preferred choice to cover the back 3 or either centre and with Ablett as 2nd back up.
Before the ridiculous injuries kicked in the chance arose for Bjb to get a full season of SL in at a club where he'd find it easier to gain a spot in the 13/17 so it was a "no brainer" he went did well gained experience at both FB and centre.
Now when the injuries bit the deal to secure Smithys return was bubbling away behind the scenes to recall Bjb would of taken us over the SC limit so again it was'nt an option.
The loan move has worked wonders for us and the lad and lets be straight barring that awfull injury list last year Bjb would not of had a sniff of a regular place so again it was'nt really a serious option to keep him "on stand by".
The Delaney debate has been done to death he was signed as a centre and deserved to stay at centre and was never in the running for the BR with the likes of Ali ,Jjb ,Ablett ,kirke ,Eastwood and the emergance of Clarkson.
In fact under Bluey it was the intention to spell Senior there to give Watkins more game-time in his natural LC position but of course the injuries bit.
There was a hell of a lot of circumstance that went against us last year and the 99% of the options you or others suggested at the time or mention with hindsight were'nt options when the season planning was in place and it's easy to see why imo.

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If the management had shown some faith in Jones-Bishop they needn't have wasted a contract extension on Donald for 2010 and what would the make up of the three-quarters been like now if McClennan and Donald had stayed?

The same people who think Jones-Bishop is all of a sudden worthy of a spot would still be saying let him get some more SL experience elsewhere if Donald hadn't cut and run. It's the kind of thinking that helps to hold our game back.

Watkins, great potential but still needs to look after the ball better in the collision. An old issue that is still a concern.

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "And finally getting his opportunity, now that Diskin's testimonial is out of the way and he's thankfully gone.'"


Agreed - class apart from anything in SL and he 5 years passed his best - the England set up should be getting him to do some masterclasses with the likes of young Milner at Castleford

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If you take the NRL model as the patent then the second row forwards are simply tackling machines - which is why Ellis has been so successful down under then a back row containing Delanney and Clarkson would do very nicely with either Ali or Hauraki to provide the ball running back row player.

On last night's performance Watkins still looks like he has much to improve on his defence - although I think he played the last 30 minutes injured

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Quote: RhinoNeil "Lee Smith impressed?
He was right 1-17 did impress. 1-17 as a team that is, what they did as a team was very impressive, with the injuries they had to contain with also.

I think people are been a bit hard on Smith. He certainly was not a stand out individually like Buderus and Kylie were, but he did his job for the team having come on as a sub. You also have to remember he was outside a young kid who was far from displaying the talents he did the week previously. But this is the sort of games where Watkins learns and can develop further, and having Smith outside him will have helped him more through some of those tough periods than with BJB in that second half.

I could not understand where sky got MOM from, because personally I didn't think Burrow was great individually and bombed more opportunties for us than created. But as a link and a team player I thought just like everyone else in the team he had a great game.

Top 3 for me were

Buderus
Kylie
Kirke, yes Kirke. That lad has had a lot of stick, me included, but I thought he really stood up to be counted last night.

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a lot impressed me. delaney was brilliant i thought. hauraki impressed too but i thought buderus ran the show with burrow great in support. what amazed me was how easily we handled there big men. they rarely got a quick ptb as they were always turned on there back. tell you what though, it was BLOODy FREEZING!!!!!!!!!!

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