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Quote: Lawrie L "Players going over to the NRL would not be a short term thing though, players would learn over there (if the players move on to coaching would use things they have learned over there). Imagine if one of our half backs went over and imagine the player we would have then


Then again we have an Aussie based player who we drop when we face the Aussies as he dropped a bomb the previous week
And you miss the bigger picture Loz. Yeah sure, send that half back over there who is great for our competition. What we get is one half back who debatably would improve, but as the competition dumbs down because of the loss of better players, the other half back would go down in quality. Therefore you would still have a zero effect on our international team.

Unless the whole of the England side is playing in the NRL then IMO it is a pointless excersise. Remarkable Rhinos got it spot on above, that the players that the NRL want are all ready at an high quality. What we want is for our kids of 16-18 to spend seasons with the NRL clubs, not lose our best players to another competition.

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Quote: Gotcha "And you miss the bigger picture Loz. Yeah sure, send that half back over there who is great for our competition. What we get is one half back who debatably would improve, but as the competition dumbs down because of the loss of better players, the other half back would go down in quality. Therefore you would still have a zero effect on our international team.

Unless the whole of the England side is playing in the NRL then IMO it is a pointless excersise. Remarkable Rhinos got it spot on above, that the players that the NRL want are all ready at an high quality. What we want is for our kids of 16-18 to spend seasons with the NRL clubs, not lose our best players to another competition.'"


Spot on. I know it completely different sport, however in Swimming we were getting thrashed by other nations, Youngsters 16-20 are not sent down under based at off shore centres then come back improved. that happend approx 5 years ago and now the benifits are being reaped.

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Quote: Gotcha "And you miss the bigger picture Loz. Yeah sure, send that half back over there who is great for our competition. What we get is one half back who debatably would improve, but as the competition dumbs down because of the loss of better players, the other half back would go down in quality. Therefore you would still have a zero effect on our international team.

Unless the whole of the England side is playing in the NRL then IMO it is a pointless excersise. Remarkable Rhinos got it spot on above, that the players that the NRL want are all ready at an high quality. What we want is for our kids of 16-18 to spend seasons with the NRL clubs, not lose our best players to another competition.'"



But your agreeing with me Gotcha, send players over, sign up the kids

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Quote: Lawrie L "But your agreeing with me Gotcha, send players over, sign up the kids'"


That's not what I have said at all. Read it again.

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Quote: Gotcha "That's not what I have said at all. Read it again.'"


But I say they sign up our kids, so do you...


Quote: Gotcha "What we want is for our kids of 16-18 to spend seasons with the NRL clubs'"



..so you agree with me then?

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Certainly not. Sending a handful of players over will improve a handful of players.
The effort needs to be in improving the whole game over here, particularly at junior levels.

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Quote: Richie "Certainly not. Sending a handful of players over will improve a handful of players.
The effort needs to be in improving the whole game over here, particularly at junior levels.'"


Maybe sending Potential Young British coaches other there might be the answer?

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Quote: Ferdy "Maybe sending Potential Young British coaches other there might be the answer?'"


which would benefit a handful of coaches.
Why not, instead, find what it is the Australian coaches do or who they learn from, and bring that over here?

Besides, it's probably the Kiwis that we should be looking at - with one full time pro club and a significantly smaller population than Australia, they manage to generate players that can beat them.

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Quote: Richie "Besides, it's probably the Kiwis that we should be looking at - with one full time pro club and a significantly smaller population than Australia, they manage to generate players that can beat them.'"



Very true!

although a Super League club hired a NZ coach who towards the end of his tenure was rumored to have lost the dressing room due to his coaching...

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Quote: Richie "which would benefit a handful of coaches.
Why not, instead, find what it is the Australian coaches do or who they learn from, and bring that over here?

Besides, it's probably the Kiwis that we should be looking at - with one full time pro club and a significantly smaller population than Australia, they manage to generate players that can beat them.'"


I think a large problem is also Football in this country, And also RU. Both pay more money and are bigger sports with more media exposure etc... There will be thousands of potentially good League players playing these sports, and that is probably why we struggle with the depth of quality.

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Quote: Richie "which would benefit a handful of coaches.
Why not, instead, find what it is the Australian coaches do or who they learn from, and bring that over here?

Besides, it's probably the Kiwis that we should be looking at - with one full time pro club and a significantly smaller population than Australia, they manage to generate players that can beat them.'"


We weren't discussing Australia?! We were discussing the NRL (which happens to be based in Australia). The NRL methods, the NRL coaching techniques, the NRL youth system. Which has also produced the overall majority of the NZ players.

We were discussing Graham & Roby playing in the NRL, not playing for Australia. Why should we be looking at the Kiwis? As you've just pointed out, they've only managed to produce one full time pro club.

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Quote: Lawrie L "Very true!

although a Super League club hired a NZ coach who towards the end of his tenure was rumored to have lost the dressing room due to his coaching...

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