A team nicknamed the pies cant even cook a decent pie in their stadium!

Still congratulations to them, for being champions!

Champions of the St helens loss- bowl?

I'm not convinced.

They beat an awful saints tonight.

i wasn't convinced at all.

The frightening thing is they will be even stronger next season. Even Deacon looks a world beater in this team. Their success is built on a platform of discipline ( J. Tomkins excepted ). defence ( bending the rules to the limit ) and actually using the threequarters rather than relying on the scoot from the quick PTB which Leeds have mastered ...but now find restricted.
Either the rules have to be changed or other teams - Leeds included - have to scutinise the MaGuire methods to gain parity.... I can see Wigan dominating for a very long time unfortunately.

not so sure about that. They looked anything but world beaters in the 2 games against us and we're lacking alot of form and some spark out wide. we nearly put 2 over on them. They're well drilled and well disciplined I'll give you that. But lets not read too much into what they did against saints, who were their usual selves in finals.

St Helens can proudly hold their heads high as 4 times Choking Champions
For once I sided with them, but didn't take long before it was evident they didn't have the bottle to compete.
Credit to Wigan. Deserved Champions.

Leeds weren't far off this year, and with more luck with injuries, who knows?

Looking forward to dethroning Wigan next year

I don't disagree with anything you say and with McGuire in the team last week we might well have beaten them. Talking generally over the course of the season those well coached disciplined drilled in basics will be enhanced next season with more talent. That combination can only elevate them to even greater heights. Compare that with our still largely depleted talented players who are getting older (or are out injured long term) in conjunction with hopeless non-existent tactics / poor coaching.

At least Wigan will apparently struggle in the goal kicking department .... At least for the first part of the season. Maybe they will similarly suffer the poison chalice of the WCC too.

Maybe the rugby gods have punished them.

Wigan are very disciplined and have learnt to be patient and take their chances.

They do this extremely well. Other teams need to work in this in the off season. If they don't then they will only have themselves to blame if Wigan do it even better next season.

Hopefully Leeds will get some of this with the changes in coaching staff.

But it get's said everytime a team wins a title who hasn't won one in a while. Gnerally when teams win titles, they have their sh*t together, they have good young players coming through a great coach and good overseas players and older heads.


So it's always easy to look at them and say that they'll dominate. But in the current climate it's very hard just to retain the title, let alone dominate.

But it won't be long before maguire get's a head coaches offer in the nrl, and then what about all their young players who will be able to command higher wages with the success and rep honours they will/are achieving and other clubs come in with better offers?

They could lose next years grand final, then maguire leaves to the nrl and 1 or 2 of their decent players get better offers elsewhere, throw in a poor overseas signing and suddenly they're 5th in the table with only a single grand final win in what was supposed to be a new super dynasty. See? I'm not suggesting that will happen, they'll probs be in the grand final mix for the next 3 or 4 years, but i'm just pointing out how things can change and evolve in sport and not always for the better, which is why it's short sighted to claim a team is about to dominate.

It doesn't matter how you win a grand final though.

But if you take last night, after the first 20 minutes, saints won the next 60 minutes 10-6!!

It's what wigan have done soo many times this season. Blitz teams in the first quarter, get a winning lead, then see the game out with defensive discipline (although many times teams have fought back).

Unfortunatly saints didn't have the firepower to do so without pryce and eastmond, but there were certainly chances and at 16-6 if saints could have scored it'd have been well on.

I think over the off season teams will try and find ways to counter wigans tactics and i think they'll find things tougher next season. With wigan not as dominant, and a hopefully fresher hungrier leeds team I wouldn't be at all suprised to see us de-throning them at old trafford.

'get near'?

If we'd had mcguire and peacock wiugan probably wouldn't have even been playing last night,