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Quote: El Diablo "What on earth does "erroneously gifted" mean?'"


It's an oblique reference to McGuire's consistency and natural talent with regard to the accumulation of errors in his game.

2010 - 1st in SL with 48 errors.
2009 - Joint 17th in SL with 29 errors.
2008 - Joint 13th in SL with 25 errors.
2007 - 3rd in SL with 32 errors.
2006 - Joint 3rd in SL with 32 errors.
2005 - Joint 24th in SL with 22 errors.
2004 - Joint 9th in SL with 30 errors.

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Wellens and Briscoe apart most if not all SL full-backs are appalling defenders and that includes all three available to Leeds when playing that position.

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Just watching the replay of the game at the moment. I notice Mr Tomkins celebrated the score to make it 12-0 very much like Mr McGuire celebrated his match winner in the cup. Good to see we aren't whining and moaning to the extent the Wigan fans did.

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Quote: Sallystar "I think he thinks he is better than he is & his attitude is awful - he is very petulant at times - & having watch the game last night - I've change my opinion of his brother Joel - I always thought he was the more sensible of the 2 - how wrong was I!!!'"


According to Phil Clarke he's the most penalised man in Super League this season as he and the Sky team were on about how he could be a liability in the Four Nations giving the amount of penalties and therefore possession away that he does against what will be much tougher opponents than he faces week in week out in Super League

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



McGuire has been the best stand off in the league all season long, IMO. He's made some special plays. Look at the way he arced around Leuluai to get on the end of Webb's pass. Leuluai knew he was there and tried to position himself perfectly but McGuire just breezed by him.

Oh, and before any idiot says that is all he can do (as if that game breaking skill is not to be celebrated) admire his pass to Hall and his try saver on Roberts.

All an England coach can do is pick the best players in their respective position IMO and that must make McGuire a shoe in for the 6 jersey down under.

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Quote: G1 "McGuire has been the best stand off in the league all season long, IMO. He's made some special plays. Look at the way he arced around Leuluai to get on the end of Webb's pass. Leuluai knew he was there and tried to position himself perfectly but McGuire just breezed by him.

Oh, and before any idiot says that is all he can do (as if that game breaking skill is not to be celebrated) admire his pass to Hall and his try saver on Roberts.

All an England coach can do is pick the best players in their respective position IMO and that must make McGuire a shoe in for the 6 jersey down under.'"


The pass to Hall was an absolute beauty. Great try that, especially how he bossed Eastwood out of the way as the ball was being played.

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saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif



Quote: El Pac Carnegie "Just watching the replay of the game at the moment. I notice Mr Tomkins celebrated the score to make it 12-0 very much like Mr McGuire celebrated his match winner in the cup. Good to see we aren't whining and moaning to the extent the Wigan fans did.'"


Are you kidding me? That's why you guys was booing him every time he touched the ball after it, nothing to do with the ball trapping incident as you boo'd him straight after that try, never known Leeds fans to single out one Wigan player since Andy Farrell, must be a threat.

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Young Tomkins is a very special player. Irritating as hell from an opposition fan's viewpoint but a special talent, no doubt.

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saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif



Quote: G1 "Young Tomkins is a very special player. Irritating as hell from an opposition fan's viewpoint but a special talent, no doubt.'"


Pretty much the same with the likes of McGuire, Briers etc.. S Tomkins will be no different, Joel however needs to stop getting to excited and do the good things that he does do as IMO there's times this year when he's been better than Sam but he has too many brain farts.

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Quote: G1 "All an England coach can do is pick the best players in their respective position IMO and that must make McGuire a shoe in for the 6 jersey down under.'"


Huge error counts and missed tackles notwitstanding?

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Quote: Mini Rogue "Are you kidding me? That's why you guys was booing him every time he touched the ball after it, nothing to do with the ball trapping incident as you boo'd him straight after that try, never known Leeds fans to single out one Wigan player since Andy Farrell, must be a threat.'"


If you listen to the crowd noise the Leeds fans don't boo Tomkins until the 2nd ball trapping incident. I'm watching now and will duly apologise if I'm incorrect.

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Kick over the top there to Tomkins and not a single boo. I'm pretty certain it was the Sinfield incident that triggered the booing.

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Quote: G1 "Young Tomkins is a very special player. Irritating as hell from an opposition fan's viewpoint but a special talent, no doubt.'"


I thought you'd critiqued him as a one trick pony?

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Huge error counts and missed tackles notwitstanding?'"

Who is a better no 6 that is fit and available and, in reality, what difference will it make?

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: tvoc "I thought you'd critiqued him as a one trick pony?'"

He does his one trick (step off the left) very, very well.

I've yet to see him give a ball to match the quality of McGuire to Hall.

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