Weaker than Eastwood???

Hardly a decent yardstick though

I agree with G on this. I closely kept an eye on Kirke on his drives during the first half. I dont think he won many collision, if any at all. Very easy for the Wire defence.

Eastwood IMO isn't 100% and looks a bit rusty, know what you mean but I think its a bit unfair to judge

No, don't get me wrong. I'm not judging Eastwood at all, he's clearly not match fit.

Was just surprised you had him in front of Kirke tonight

Good question and a tough question. Burgess has more upside but Kirke has less downside if you know what I mean? Burgess could have great forward and superb offloads but could spill some ball and be leaden footed defensively whereas Kirke will remain hum drum with few errors but little of note.

I'd select.....................................Ambler.

Thing is with Kirke his drive strength isn't there and you look at say young Ambler who legs keep pumping and breaks tackles yet is smaller than Kirke (may not be the best example)

Different type of player - Kirke is certainly more in the Bailey mould, if not quite as effective

Me too. Although there will be some revisionism we were in a minority. Many on here expressed a view that he was inferior to Burgess.

I stood in the numpties section tonight. Ablett, Kirke and especially Bailey were all crap. We should have tackled Matt King with his hair but my god, a solid hit into the chest of a Leeds player was met with cries for public execution. Oh, my favorite was when Wire scored thier 3rd... "Come on Leeds! You've gone off the boil. You're useless!"

I'm off back to the top next time. At least the numpties up there know about the game

oh and aparently Leeds were 6-0 down for ages because we were going down the middle all the time whereas they were throwing it about. Obviously field position isn't part of the gameplan now.

Anyway, I digress. Bailey was immense tonight. His workload was amazing and mainly all positive too. Leuluai had a couple of good spells in hisstints but looked out on his feet at 1 point. Ablett though was my MoM. He has great footwork, a big hit and does he lose any collisions? He was smashed on 1 occasion and still made 5 yards extra. He is my 1st name on the sheet at the moment and is the long term successor to the 13 jersey. I think he just got the better of Harrison on the future International loose stakes tonight. Harrison was thier nest though.

Oh and as for Kirke, I'm fully with Mr1 on this. Yes he had a decent work ethic tonight but was it overly productive? The frustrating thing was on a few occasions when the rest of the pack was on top he made good impact in the collision and really took it in but if he can do it then why doesn't he always try it?