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| Quote: Gotcha "and that would be accurate.'"
Quote: Gotcha "That's rubbish David.'"
Quote: Gotcha "
He's at it again, no doubt it's something to do with my agenda.
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| Quote: Tony Soprano "He's at it again, no doubt it's something to do with my agenda.'"
Stop been chilidsh and ruining threads.
Why not grow up and contribute something meaningful to a thread? let's start here.
Can you explain the reasons for the below how you would agree with it?
Leuluai: 89 - 13 (6.85) - 21 - 3 (88%) - 1 – 1 awarded a 7
Diskin: 37 - 9 (4.11) - 26 - 1 (96%) - 2 – 0 awarded a 6
Kirke: 15 - 7 (2.14) - 35 - 3 (92%) - 0 – 1 awarded a 8
Sinfield: 81 - 14 (5.79) - 40 - 3 (93%) - 1 – 3 awarded a 5
Burgess: 73 - 11 (6.64) - 26 - 4 (87%) - 0 – 1 awarded a 6
Peacock: 124 - 18 (6.89) - 30 - 1 (97%) - 0 – 1 awarded a 6
My argument on this thread is giving a player a 5 when there was such high work rate. What have the others above on those stats done to acheive the difference in rating?
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| Gotcha
Why dont you do the ratings for the Wakey match
and lets see what you give
I look forward to seeing them
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| Quote: Lawrie L "Gotcha
Why dont you do the ratings for the Wakey match
and lets see what you give
I look forward to seeing them'"
Why? I am in agreement with most of David's anyway and think he does a good job. I have already stated I only dissagree with the Sinfield mark and backed up why. I thought David provided this as a matter for debate? he's got no problem in people dissagreeing with him and actually welcomes discussion on it. So what's the problem?
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| Quote: Gotcha "Why? I am in agreement with most of David's anyway and think he does a good job. I have already stated I only dissagree with the Sinfield mark and backed up why. I thought David provided this as a matter for debate? he's got no problem in people dissagreeing with him and actually welcomes discussion on it. So what's the problem?'"
RE: Sinfield but in your words "he had a poor game" yet you wanting a higher mark, confused.com
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| Quote: Lawrie L "RE
It's only confusing Lawrie if you are unable to read, or fail to read the post in question.
I said he had a poor game with ball in hand. I said he had a fantatic game defensively. I further said that Any player whoever they may be, or play for, deserves an average rating at the very least if they are making 40 tackles in a game. I take it you don't agree with that statement?
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| Quote: Tony Soprano "If a player is in a position to make a tackle he should make a tackle, I didn't see Sinfield running all over the park to make tackles that were not his to make, I also didn't see him grab the game by the neck or instil any discipline in his players during the game.'"
Technically true, but in reality not.
There are 12 places in the defensive line, and each will receive a different amount of work at any one time.
For someone to achieve the high tackle stats (and Sinny does it consistently), you put yourslef close to the ruck in the defensive line, so that you take up most traffic.
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| Quote: ls18rhino "In Salford's defeat to Cas, Malcolm Alker made 69 tackles and Luke Swain 55. The whole team made 406 and only missed 10. Clearly this doesnt tell the whole story but presumably Gotcha would award the pair of them a 10???'"
Quote: ls18rhino "I hate to barge in on this debate, but Dallas Johnson (a back rower) is averaging 46 tackles a game and has made 60+ tackles on at least two occasions this season!'"
do these players then take on the responsibility for moving the team around the pitch too.
Also, I reckon that any decent player in the salford team could rack up 50+ tackles in a game the amount of defense they probably have to do
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| Quote: Gotcha "It's only confusing Lawrie if you are unable to read, or fail to read the post in question.
I said he had a poor game with ball in hand. I said he had a fantatic game defensively. I further said that Any player whoever they may be, or play for, deserves an average rating at the very least if they are making 40 tackles in a game. I take it you don't agree with that statement?'"
no, as that only meets 50% of his game, he has to have a quality game with ball in hand to get a better mark
dont get me wrong, its a good achievement (well for Super League standards....) however he had a 'mare n half attacking
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| Quote: Gotcha "Stop been chilidsh and ruining threads.
Why not grow up and contribute something meaningful to a thread? let's start here.
Can you explain the reasons for the below how you would agree with it?
Leuluai
Stats aren't everything, and they can be misleading both ways.
I disagree with a 5 for sinfield. The amount of effort that he put in attack and defence he should never get a 5.
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| Lawrie versus Gotcha.
Clash of the Titans.
Plato versus Aristotle it is not.
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| Quote: G1 "Lawrie versus Gotcha.
Clash of the Titans.
Plato versus Aristotle it is not.'"
Doesn't mean its not worth discussing.
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| Quote: G1 "Lawrie versus Gotcha.
Clash of the Titans.
Plato versus Aristotle it is not.'"
It's not even an argument, considering it appears he is in agreement with me.
Do you want to contribute anything worthwhile? I asked above for something from Soprano, but he's not willing when worthwhile contributions are required. Perhaps you are?
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| Quote: Gotcha "
Do you want to contribute anything worthwhile?'" In a discussion with you I am not sure it's worth the effort.
I have a squash game to head for. Maybe catch you on the flip.
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| Quote: Gotcha "It's not even an argument, considering it appears he is in agreement with me.
Do you want to contribute anything worthwhile? I asked above for something from Soprano, but he's not willing when worthwhile contributions are required. Perhaps you are?'"
I dont agree with you, thats the whole point
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