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| Im not particularly bothered about his record as GB/England coach, it could have been a lot worse but I am disappointed that he's decided to quit so soon. He came on board basically saying that we need to look long term and then goes after 3 tournaments. If we'd won last night Im fairly sure he'd have stayed on.
I've lost a lot of respect for him recently.
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| Quote: Puig-Aubert " He was also hampered by having very poor backs to select from - which has been the case since the union conveyor belt stopped.
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This has been a real blow to British RL. I think the impact of RU going professional has been far greater than is appreciated.
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| Quote: DHM "This has been a real blow to British RL. I think the impact of RU going professional has been far greater than is appreciated.'"
Maybe re Welsh players but not those from England, have you seen the quality of the english 3/4 line?
Even worse than their RL counterparts.
Why do you think they wanted Lee Smith?
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| The RU players though were additions to what we already had. Tait, Offiah, Devereux, Gibbs, Davies, Bateman, Bentley etc all added to the general quality of backs around the competition, and all were qualified to play for GB.
However, in addition we seemed to produce the odd gem from within RL itself - Drummond, Gill, Loughlin, Newlove, Connolly, Schofield, Robinson. That production has also seemed to dry up over recent years.
I think Smith has done the right thing. What he should add - IMO - is a very strong blast to all concerned about the damage done by imports.
His replacement? Well if you want to turn the clock back 20 years you could go for a Kear or McDermott. No problem with a younger English coach as assistant. However, if you want to move forward I'd say find an NRL coach who can work with the players to improve the technical sides of their game.
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| Quote: Old Feller "Maybe re Welsh players but not those from England, have you seen the quality of the english 3/4 line?
Even worse than their RL counterparts.
Why do you think they wanted Lee Smith?'"
Don't confuse a badly coached backline with a talentless one. Englands problems are firmly rooted in the coaching setup (I have no idea what Rob Andrew is doing, why sack Andy Robinson and then keep the muppets who have actually been coaching the players?).
Dan Hipkiss would make a superb RL player, he's strong, direct and can offload, but he's only geting a look in the England team becauase of injuries. Cueto would be a level faster than most English RL backs, he's also strong, direct and can tackle. I can think of 6-10 English backs I would love to see playing league right now, guys like Tom Varndell, who barely gets a game for Wasps but would be comfortably the fastet thing in SL.
There are plenty of league backs that started at lower Union clubs but became top class players when they switched codes.
I'm unsure what the thinking has been behind the Union signings of league players over the last few years. They have the talent in Union and a far broader player base to choose from. But in the end clubs have money to spend and they see league as just another supermarket to shop from. I think in the case of Smith, Wasps are looking to re-build (they have had a fairly large player turnover this year I think), and Smith was just a player they were interested in - I also suspect he was cheap compared to signing a big name English Union player. I suspect he's also coached to a far higher level in the basics as well.
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| Quote: JOGGER "and maybe consider giving a certain Mr Sean Edwards a call?'"
As much as I would love to see Edwards take charge, why the hell would he want the job?
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "His replacement? Well if you want to turn the clock back 20 years you could go for a Kear or McDermott. No problem with a younger English coach as assistant. However, if you want to move forward I'd say find an NRL coach who can work with the players to improve the technical sides of their game.'"
That's got me thinking. A rarity.
The new coach is going to spend very little time with the players so I'm not convinced he'll be able to have a huge impact on the technical aspects - besides which they (the players) be at an age where most of their skills development will have taken place. Maybe a coach who can get them up for big games, give them belief etc would be more use? Someone like Brian Mclennan?
Alternatively do you go for a technician but give him the brief to have an impact at a wider level - more like David Waite's role?
I think you need someone with some level of recent knowledge of SL to understand it's strengths and weaknesses.
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| Quote: AdmiralHanson "After saying how much he wanted to be a national coach, then claims that he misses the day to day running of a team and takes the Warrington job.
Is he more Brian Smith than Tony Smith ?'"
TBH I don't really blame him for taking the wire job. If England performed as badly as they did at the WC - which could easily have happened IMO - then he may well have been sacked in any case.
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| What gets me is that the Leeds fekwits who didn't like Smith will now claim they were right all along.
They weren't. Smith will go down in history for his Leeds career and rightly so.
Anyone who doesnt appreciate what he did is a clown.
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1306.jpg Thats why we're champions, thats why we're champions!!!!! Back to back to back!!!!
Rhinos - each and every one of you are a legend in your own right..........get in!!!!!!!
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| Quote: Head High Tackle "What gets me is that the Leeds fekwits who didn't like Smith will now claim they were right all along.
They weren't. Smith will go down in history for his Leeds career and rightly so.
Anyone who doesnt appreciate what he did is a clown.'"
You are confusing his club career with his international career. This is about him as English coach, not Leeds coach.
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| Quote: EmmaMur01 "You are confusing his club career with his international career. This is about him as English coach, not Leeds coach.'"
I don't give a tuppenny e about his England coaching career Coco. I couldn't care less if he'd played 10 lost 10.
I will always be grateful to him for bringing us what had eluded us for so long.
Any Leeds 'supporter' who cannot appreciate what Smith did for Leeds needs their head reading and would probably enjoy the 80s all over again.
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| Quote: EmmaMur01 "You are confusing his club career with his international career. This is about him as English coach, not Leeds coach.'"
Emma, I don't want to get in the middle of a domestic, but what more could Smith have done as England coach? In the World Cup he lost to the the two finalists, one of which is being touted as the greatest ever Australian team and on that won the tournament. This year he lost to the same "greatest ever" Australian team and beat the current world champions!
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| Quote: Cala Millor Rhino "Emma, I don't want to get in the middle of a domestic, but what more could Smith have done as England coach? In the World Cup he lost to the the two finalists, one of which is being touted as the greatest ever Australian team and on that won the tournament. This year he lost to the same "greatest ever" Australian team and beat the current world champions!'"
Put the greatest coach ever in charge of this lot and he'll fail too.
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You can follow me on Twitter....if you want!
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| Quote: Cala Millor Rhino "Emma, I don't want to get in the middle of a domestic, but what more could Smith have done as England coach? In the World Cup he lost to the the two finalists, one of which is being touted as the greatest ever Australian team and on that won the tournament. This year he lost to the same "greatest ever" Australian team and beat the current world champions!'"
I have no probs with the matches against Australia. We were beaten by a better, (and world class team). However I do have a problem with the performances against France, and the World cup last year.
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| Look at the experience and quality of players 1-7 and what happened was inevitable, in fact they performed above expectation at times.
However on squad selection, an experienced quality centre ie Senior (granted we don't know the full story of his offer) as well as a balanced half back pairing ie Eastmond/Tomkins with an experienced Burrow/Mcguire and sticking with it would have made some difference. I'm all for blooding youth but the back line had no chance, even if the pivots got quality ball wide Bridge and Shenton wouldn't put their wing away
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