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| Quote: DISA "I thought Buderus looked good yesterday, but anyway.
David, I think you make an absolute spot on point, about potentially been together too long.
Players careers are much shorter than some fans take into account. And it is true that certain players look far from what they have shown previously.
I was talking before the game to the guy who set up the Leeds scholoship system years ago, when players like Holroyd and Cummins signed. I only know him as Ken, never found out second name. He was also in charge when Burrow and McGuire signed.
He was making the exact same point before the game. That perhaps a couple of the players have been around a little too long, and maybe for both parties a change is needed.
Personally, I think you could add Inglis, Folou, Gidley, whoever in the right centre and it would make jack poop difference. The forwards are light, and the halfbacks are simply not performing. I like McGuire, because he still gives things a go even when things are not working. But despite my admiration for Robs effort and and all guts displays, I still get bored of his predictability, and he was played off the park by his oppossite yesterday. More important is that neither of these halfbacks could organize a pish up in a brewery. We need to revert to Sinfield taking control of the organizing.
I do not feel that we will get out of this mess this year, unless we change the tactics fast. Those interceptions yesterday were not just poor passes. We are simply predictable. We are the only team now in Super League continuing to only have one game plan, of flat passes. Those flat passes are becoming easier to pick off.
Some people keep saying about the blip we had last year. But this is completely different. This is not a blip, we have not played well all season. The quality on offer is shocking, and way short of anything in the last 7 years.'"
As i've posted on another thread, it's a bit of both. The squad isn't good enough at present and they're not playing well as a team. and haven't done all season so far. Some times when your not playing well top class strike players get you out of trouble unfortunatley we're lacking in that dept.
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| Quote: Man of steel 07 "
Burrow and McGuire cant manouvure around the park as the forwards arent doing any work for them
And for half backs they are doing far too much tackling which takes away the most important part of their game.
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Totally agree with that. Good post.
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| Personally the players all look knackered to me. After playing 10 minutes yesterday most looked out of it. This was summed up with little support for the Buderus break and only JJB chasing back for one of the Salford breaks. It's leading to big holes in defence and sloppy passing in attack.
Whether this is down to starting the season earlier than most other teams, the WWC match, the physical matches against Saints, having a light pack or the fact we have so many Internationals who got a shorter off season I don't know. Maybe things will improve after the next round of the CC.
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| Good posts to read and agree with. Will still be at Huddersfield on Saturday and cheering not booing!!
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| Happily or not you have 4 weekends off during the season now to give your players breaks when they need them...
The one bonus of not being in the challenge cup is you can rotate the squad and be fresh come September - which is all Leeds need to do - they have easily one of the 2 if not THE best team in the comp form is temporary
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| Quote: DISA "I thought Buderus looked good yesterday, but anyway.
David, I think you make an absolute spot on point, about potentially been together too long.
Players careers are much shorter than some fans take into account. And it is true that certain players look far from what they have shown previously.
I was talking before the game to the guy who set up the Leeds scholoship system years ago, when players like Holroyd and Cummins signed. I only know him as Ken, never found out second name. He was also in charge when Burrow and McGuire signed.
He was making the exact same point before the game. That perhaps a couple of the players have been around a little too long, and maybe for both parties a change is needed.
Personally, I think you could add Inglis, Folou, Gidley, whoever in the right centre and it would make jack poop difference. The forwards are light, and the halfbacks are simply not performing. I like McGuire, because he still gives things a go even when things are not working. But despite my admiration for Robs effort and and all guts displays, I still get bored of his predictability, and he was played off the park by his oppossite yesterday. More important is that neither of these halfbacks could organize a pish up in a brewery. We need to revert to Sinfield taking control of the organizing.
I do not feel that we will get out of this mess this year, unless we change the tactics fast. Those interceptions yesterday were not just poor passes. We are simply predictable. We are the only team now in Super League continuing to only have one game plan, of flat passes. Those flat passes are becoming easier to pick off.
Some people keep saying about the blip we had last year. But this is completely different. This is not a blip, we have not played well all season. The quality on offer is shocking, and way short of anything in the last 7 years.'"
I just think we need a big shake up - that will mean breaking up this side. If they fail to reach the GF - I personally think they will beat Huddersfield on Saturday and they will reach the GF - then I can see some heads rolling amongst the playing staff.
I agree with much of what you put above however I cannot agree with the Sinfield comment - he is at the heart of everything Leeds do as captain he should lead by example - sadly he own form is at rock bottom - his defence is terrible, he missed kicks yesterday that he needed to kick and I lost count of the number of kicks that went dead or straight to the opponent. The other two half backs didn't cover themselves in glory either - compare Sinfield's performance to that of Peacock - who put in a captain's knock yesterday - as part of the reorganisation maybe a change of captain is required.
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| Quote: Acorn Torn "Personally the players all look knackered to me. After playing 10 minutes yesterday most looked out of it. This was summed up with little support for the Buderus'"
Is it that they are knackered or is there "trouble at mill"? Looks like some players don't want to know, could it be the old Gallagher/Schofield syndrome but this time with Budderus? If so then Bluey needs to drop some of them even if we have no decent replacements.
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| Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "I just think we need a big shake up - that will mean breaking up this side. If they fail to reach the GF - I personally think they will beat Huddersfield on Saturday and they will reach the GF - then I can see some heads rolling amongst the playing staff.
I agree with much of what you put above however I cannot agree with the Sinfield comment - he is at the heart of everything Leeds do as captain he should lead by example - sadly he own form is at rock bottom - his defence is terrible, he missed kicks yesterday that he needed to kick and I lost count of the number of kicks that went dead or straight to the opponent. The other two half backs didn't cover themselves in glory either - compare Sinfield's performance to that of Peacock - who put in a captain's knock yesterday - as part of the reorganisation maybe a change of captain is required.'"
Don't agree with that one. Sinny's been one of our best performers so far, his form will pick up again. We must start winning the battle up front first and foremost - the pack has been a key weapon in our success of the last 4 years. This will then help the halfs and loose F dominate the game. We seem to be going sideways all the time as we're not making the inroads we should.
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| Eccleshill has suggested our CEO who in 13 years has delivered almost as many championship sides as the club earned in its' previous 100 years is "the problem" with the club.
He has also suggested taking the captaincy from Leeds most successful captain ever.
This after 3 defeats and 10/11 games into the League season.
Funnily enough after a similar number of games last year he was hailing the current coach (who he is now criticising) as Leeds greatest ever coach.
I'll make no judgment on Eccleshill's wild and reactionary mood swings but simply thought I'd point this out as some context for his thoughts.
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| Quote: rpw "Don't agree with that one. Sinny's been one of our best performers so far, his form will pick up again.'"
Hopefully so but his kicking on the 5th tackle was appalling yesterday
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| So we lose a couple of games and we need to dismantle the squad?
Pretty reactionary that IMO.
Our style of play has been counteracted and we dont have any answers at the minute. It's time for McClennan to prove just how good he is.
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| Quote: King Monkey "It's time for McClennan to prove just how good he is.'"
Easier to do when you've only got a bunch of players to work with for 4-6 weeks at a time and everything you tell them is fresh.
Is McLennan hitting the wall in terms of how much time he spends with a group of players? Are his routines, gameplans and training schedules losing their edge?
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Easier to do when you've only got a bunch of players to work with for 4-6 weeks at a time and everything you tell them is fresh.
Is McLennan hitting the wall in terms of how much time he spends with a group of players? Are his routines, gameplans and training schedules losing their edge?'"
fair point.as much as we speculate time will tell
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Is McLennan hitting the wall in terms of how much time he spends with a group of players? Are his routines, gameplans and training schedules losing their edge?'"
All coaches hit that. It's just a question of when. It can be turned around though, even after a longer term slump, as Tony Smith demonstrated.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Easier to do when you've only got a bunch of players to work with for 4-6 weeks at a time and everything you tell them is fresh.
Is McLennan hitting the wall in terms of how much time he spends with a group of players? Are his routines, gameplans and training schedules losing their edge?'"
So you agree it's time for him to prove how good he is.
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