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JJB, hardaker and BJB who was injured early, who did play well? bradford ran at walters all night and while i rate the boy, he is just that. a boy. they threw him around like a doll. i would have thought any coach would have seen the same as us and switched him with delaney or JJB even

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Quote: Gotcha "
Quote: Gotcha "We must have been at different games Briscoe showed nothing last night - his perceived ability to make ground in collision was just that a perception. Far too much running sideways IMO.

The whole structure of Leeds play since 2003 has been around Sinfield controlling the plays both Burrow and McGuire have been support elements in that structure. it is no surprise that neither are capable of filling the role Sinfield does as they seldom get the opportunity to do it. Could Sinfield provide the support play to the break that McGuire has over the years not a chance - he isn't quick enough nor is his reading of the break alert enough. Could Sinfield break the line as Burrow does again not a chance his lack of pace would put paid to that. In this team different skills have been developed over the years why do many on here think these skills are easily interchangable?

The idea that both these players have ridden on the back of Sinfield's coat tail is - in my opinion - a disgraceful suggestion that I would have expected from you. Both these players have contributed hugely to the success of this team over the years. Without either of these two player perhaps Sinfield wouldn't have won as many medals and as a result nor would he be held in such high esteem by the likes of you.'"



I think your desire to defend McGuire there has got the benefit of you Sal. Maybe I didn't word it correctly. I agree with you on the support role, and the line breaking. The point was that neither of these players can control a game, can take a hold of it, which you agree with. So the point that a coach names a team with this in mind for them to do that shows how out of touch he was.

Without that controlling influence, neither of these players could have shown their own qualities, that was the point.'"


Actually agree with you both - but can't really blame McD for this issue. Sinfield is banned and we simply do not have another organiser within the club. For all their promise, Stevie Ward or Sutcliffe are not the long term answer to Leeds 'game management' issues. Burrow and McGuire have been terrific for this team with their individual skills, and have been the perfect pairing to partner Sinfield over the years as the 'spine' of this team.

However, we're now desperately in need of 2 new halfs, and I just don't see them coming from within.

We may still do the double this year - I'd not put anything past this group, but time is ticking, and I just feel we need some new blood and thinking to get the best out of the likes of Sutliffe, Ward, Watkins, Hardacre, Moon etc in the coming years.

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So I'm guessing none of your are going to congratulate the bulls on outplaying you ??

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Re-The H/B issue I know its still only U19's but Jordan Lilley is turning into a very good organising 7 he has the kicking game ,Good passing range and is Leading the team around the pitch.
Far too many players didn't "turn up" last night but at the same time I think the Coach also got it wrong with too many changes and a very lightweight bench.
Hopefully we can turn it around next week the team are certainly capable but fail and we have very few games to recover before the play offs start.

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Quote: Noah100 "So I'm guessing none of your are going to congratulate the bulls on outplaying you ??'"

It's been mentioned you were the better team what else do you want more bottles to throw at the players?

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Quote: rhinoms "It's been mentioned you were the better team what else do you want more bottles to throw at the players?'"

Pehraps they would like another fund raising effort?.

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Quote: Noah100 "So I'm guessing none of your are going to congratulate the bulls on outplaying you ??'"

Well done. Shame you couldn't do it when it mattered

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Quote: Gotcha "I think your desire to defend McGuire there has got the benefit of you Sal. Maybe I didn't word it correctly. I agree with you on the support role, and the line breaking. The point was that neither of these players can control a game, can take a hold of it, which you agree with. So the point that a coach names a team with this in mind for them to do that shows how out of touch he was.

Without that controlling influence, neither of these players could have shown their own qualities, that was the point.'"


What options did the coach have - what player could he played that could have controlled the game the way Sinfield does?

In my opinion its catch 22 you can control the game all you like but without the strike players it will be to no avail but without the control you cannot create the opportunities. My point is Sinfield would never have achieved the status he has without the players around him

Danny Brough is the best half in super league but he will never have the success that Sinfield has because the players around him are not of the same ability

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Quote: Noah100 "So I'm guessing none of your are going to congratulate the bulls on outplaying you ??'"

No. They were all too. Just marginally better than we were. Well done

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Quote: Noah100 "So I'm guessing none of your are going to congratulate the bulls on outplaying you ??'"


Beating Wigan and then backing up by beating Leeds at Headingley. A team who can do that will surely be a force in the play offs.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "What options did the coach have - what player could he played that could have controlled the game the way Sinfield does?

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Play BJB at fullback and play Hardaker in the halves, that would have been a better choice than Burrow and next season's Championship player of the season. Time to go Danny - thanks for the memories.

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Quote: ant1 "Play BJB at fullback and play Hardacre in the halves, that would have been a better choice than Burrow and next season's Championship player of the season. Time to go Danny - thanks for the memories.'"


Are you for real - when was the last time Hardaker showed he was a half that could control a game? He struggles with passing at the best of times!!

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Are you for real - when was the last time Hardaker showed he was a half that could control a game? He struggles with passing at the best of times!!'"


Yep, he'd pose more danger for a defensive line than slow mo Danny

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Are you for real - when was the last time Hardaker showed he was a half that could control a game? He struggles with passing at the best of times!!'"


& on last night's showing Danny doesn't?

It says something when Luke Gale was by a country mile the best player on show last night.
He thoroughly deserved to be on the winning side.
Had we won last night it would have been a travesty.
I wouldn't have allowed at least 2 of our tries.

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Quote: Old Feller "& on last night's showing Danny doesn't?

It says something when Luke Gale was by a country mile the best player on show last night.
He thoroughly deserved to be on the winning side.
Had we won last night it would have been a travesty.
I wouldn't have allowed at least 2 of our tries.'"



We shouldn't have had the Delaney one. That was shocking revving. You can't blow up for a penalty, signal it, then wave play on. Bit the bulls first one was a knock on.

I don't think we deserved to lose, as we had most of play and territory. What lost it was how bad we utilised that advantage.

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