Im not optimistic, i think were dire at the moment, but realistically i think were good enough to beat the teams we need to, it’s absolutely pointless going on and on about how poor the squad is, were stuck with it for now.

Were 7 games in, there’s plenty of time to win the games we need to, the reason im Praising the effort is because it is something to build on, if theres no effort theres no hope

Wire look every bit as bad as us, theyve got a supposedly decent coach and on paper a very good team, they need to be just as concerned as us at the moment at least we’ve got some quality to come back into the team

It’s terrible, we are years away from being a top team, we've been rebuilding for the last 6 years and yet we keep going backwards.
We won’t win trophies with effort alone, they had the best part of half a team missing yet they scored a hat full of points against us. We can also say that we had a lot of talent missing, but going forward we have no idea, their is no confidence, we have 13 workhorses on the pitch at any one time and little class. It’s sad to see, I feel for JJB, he doesn’t deserve this. He knows he’s not the head coach, while he try’s his best, the coaching is simply not good enough. we have no 1, 6,7 or 13, our spine is shocking. Can we go lower, well if we lose to Toulouse we are rock bottom. Maybe getting relegated will get rid of GH.

A fair and balanced post.

If I hear anyone else refer to Sean Long as a genius, I'll get my imaginary gun out and shoot them.

Kudos to the attitude in defence tonight, they put tons more effort in and worked for each other. But attacking, we're like an under 10's team. It doesn't need to be complicated, just get some runners and inject a bit more urgency. We're as pedestrian as 97 year old Gildas crossing Kirkstall Road with a zimmer frame. And as for Sutcliffe. Shouldn't be near the team. Brings absolutely nothing

Look, we're just not dining at the top table anymore.
This is a bottom 4 side.
Our big games are relegation battles.
Absolute waste of time judging us on a game against Saints.
The gap between us and them is enormous.
We are more than 5 years away from challenging them.

This is kind of my point, it’s pointless thinking how bad would it be if Walmsley et al were playing, it’s irrelevant. We need to look at what weve got and how it will manifest in wins against the bottom half, and i can see that if we build on the effort well win them. Not many if any teams defend aswell as saints.

After 5 years of sh 1t it's just depressing to be even worse and looking ahead to relegation scraps. Like everyone I'm just pis sed at the people who have overseen this.

It's realistic but hugely depressing. I look at our young players and I see a fair bit of athletic potential, but a total lack of (Gannon accepted) intelligence. What does that say about the coaching? And then at the senior level the game breaking moment was Sutcliffe's no look overhead pass. I'll say that again - no look overhead pass! It beggars belief that we indulged the fantasy that a player of such limited ability could ever amount to a top class player. GH needs to pull a giant rabbit out of the hat in terms of head coach and then back it up with some ruthless decision making in terms of both the assistance coaching and playing staff. I'll never stop going to the games, but in all honesty I've largely stopped enjoying it since 2015.

Except you aren’t. Your props are utterly terrible but the rest of your first 13 are easily top 6 maybe even top 4. Get a couple of half decent props and you will be golden.

We were lucky that Saints were terrible for a large part of that game because they could have got 70. We really are dreadful. I know it's easy to criticise the coaches because the attack is poor, but what do you expect when your backs have no pace, power or skill?

We are definitely the case study in how not to manage the end of a good side. Agree there's probably not much point harping on about the lack of quality this year, but we desperately need some of the duffers in this side replaced. We may have some wriggle room for this season for a player, but moving forward some of these guys just need to go. They are taking up cap space and adding zero.

The mindset this year has to be about survival. Just as the other lower teams will focus on us, we need to focus on them. Horrible as a fan to see it yet again, but that's where we're at.

I really hope GH gets a new coach sorted quickly. We have two weeks off and hopefully a couple of players back. This should be the opportunity to reset everything. If we meander along with JJB it will be a wasted opportunity.

Effort was there tonight but the structure in attack was woeful. Sutcliffe was waaay too deep and slow time and time again. Broadbent was awful too being totally honest. That back line tonight was the worst I’ve seen in many a year. Appreciate its missing Fusitua Myler Newman but we should have better depth than that. Tindall tried hard but looked underdeveloped physically. Thought Austin tried very hard but had nothing around him.

Not here to gloat but Prior is robbing a living?? Can't believe you have give him another 2 yrs?

We could do with a decent signing coming in if we have cap space. Prop or centre

We’ll come again. I can’t tell you when, but there are still some good people at the club. It will be sweeter than any of the wins when it happens……