That's just been pedantic tvoc. The ref can't blow the whistle until the conversation is taken. But the hooter had already gone to signal the end of open play in the game before the players entered the field.

What exactly could anybody be investigating if they chose to?

Just when you think the pond life have levelled off, you manage to sink deeper.

Alot of respect for wounding (via a cheap-shot) a human being? Interesting.

Another needless thought!!

How did you get over the 2009 finals ending?

Grahams cheap shot on Bailey (from a tap penalty) who bounced the ever impressive Graham off. Sinfield kicked the penalty into touch. Then the tap? Nup, the whistle blew. Bet that got under your skin.

Did the RFL investigate? Or did they get on with their lives?

I'm sure you'll be hoping the RFL hit our club with a heavy fine. perhaps even take the trophy away from us.

Will you find any joy in that?

They could, in theory, wipe the conversion off the score if he kicked it. If you have more than 13 players on the field, any points scored with them on the field are null and void are they not?

Not that it matters.

Well I would suggest then that it is for the Coach not to bring on the stick that is going to hit the hornets nest. Not for the stick to decide not to hit it.

So, 16 pages in, allow me to summarise.

Bailey said some potentially hurtful things to some sensitive young souls in the Saints side after the final whistle.

He's therefore somewhere between Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot on the scale of reprehensible human beings.

Is it just me, or do some on the Wilkin side of this argument seriously need to grow a pair and recognise that sometimes, life just kicks you in the nuts for the fun of it?

I don't think you have quite grasped the seriousness of Baileys actions, did you know at one point after a Leeds try he was actually staring at the saints fans?, Its true I just read it on another board.

Im sorry - but acting professionally comes with the territory.
Im from Leeds and will always 'like' the club - but if Sinfield can be a great winner, then the total opposite is to be said of Bailey. Always number 1 to antagonise, which in a game is part and parcel of RL - so those have a blind eye turned, but to rub it in after the final whistle is nothing short of pathetic from Bailey.

What kind of coward takes pleasure after such an epic final to not even sqaure up to the bigger experienced members of Saints, but to go to the junior members?

I personally hope that an Aussie or Kiwi sit him on his during the 4 Nations, or that he royally screws up with huge consequences leaving hime nowhere to hide.
Great Britain is exactly about being 'Great' - and Ryan Baileys actions couldnt be any less 'great' in how he acts.

Yes he deserves his place - but there is much more to being part of the team, one being that you trust the person next to you to stay focussed on winning - not looking to take cheap shots or scoring petty points.

Lets see how he fares when he's a small fish in the big pond!

Anyone else notice Graham raking a Leeds player (who was on the floor) on the back with his boot in the fracas just before Bailey went off.

I'm pretty sure it was Bailey on the receiving end.

Shame that's my last memory of him on the field in Superleague as that aside he was very impressive as usual.

What did he do?, I'm not denying anything but despite all the foaming at the mouth nobody has actually said what Bailey did. what

Perhaps, why Leeds had 17 players on the field while the game was still in progress?

The time-keeper doesn't replace the referee. The referee's whistle ends the game not the sounding of the hooter. There are times when the hooter isn't heard and play continues beyond the following play the ball, as far as I know any points scored (in that circumstance) are allowed to stand regardless of the understandable confusion and controversy surrounding.

In the very least the officials should have noticed the players entering the field of play illegally and ordered them off before the conversion attempt was taken.

Perhaps St Helens should have ignored the rules and sent a replacement on for the injured Shenton while he was still on the field?

Being pedantic in this area is important to the integrity of the sport and making exceptions should be avoided in case precedents are set where it could affect the outcome of a game in the future.

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Thank you, another good example.

Obviously in that situation Ganson should have been carpetted by the RFL/Referee's controller (perhaps he was, I have no idea) as he's not there to invent the rules he's there to administer them.

Classic Bailey

I hope he plays the way he's finished the season.

So you want him to screw up at the expense of the national team?

Is it really that important to you?

Wow.

Oh and for accuracy purposes that national team is called 'England' not 'Great Britain'.