I dont hate ya tinyrod!!! FFS I dont even know ya!!!

yet ask any Saints fan and they will tell you he's been terrible this year. On what basis are you handing out international appearances?

A position he's not really played at club level since about week 3 of the season. Yet you still think he's Englands best at that position. You might be right.

Had he played at full back on Saturday do you think the result would've been ANY different?

So you keep saying but if the team is picked on "form" DM has outplayed him in the last 3 GF'S which is the biggest game of the year he's also been more consistent within the SL season so your opinion is shot to pieces by the respective performances!!
We know mcguire was poor on saturday as were many others but championing a player he's comfortably out-played isn't even a reasonable argument.

Did McGuire have a bad game or did he beat an old lady? the reaction on rlfans is ridiculous, just watching the highlights again on iplayer and no matter who was on that right hand side they would have had a new @rsehole, unless you think Lockyer, Watmough, Slater etc have equals in super league, If you do please name them.

At least 3 of McGuire "missed tackles" I thought he did well just to get near the man in the first place.

Playing Tomkins & Eastmond is fine by me, McGuire was cr@p and deserves to be dropped but don’t expect miracles.

Yes and Yes.

Well fecking said that man !!

We didn't 'get rid' of Smith, he chose to go to union for more money than we could offer.

We didn't 'get rid' of Calderwood, he went to Wigan for the money.

No sure what happend with Mathers but the club can hardly have any accusers of not doing all they can to help the British game.. our youth policy has and is still fantastic.. (may be if a few other clubs followed suite we may have a chance internationally) the tread mill may have dried a bit of late, we have gone out and brought in some excellent young raw british talent around, Pitts, Amour, Coady, Ambler... we also have Ben Jones Bishop coming through who is very highly rated, add to the Kalum Watkins.. our future is looking bright and it's looking English !!!!!

Bang on mate.
Re-Mathers he had a contract on the table but wanted to try the NRL so good luck to him for that although it didn't quite work out due to injury.
As for the future there will be plenty more "homegrown" lads to come through aswell so i wouldn't be worried about how we produce players.

He went to the NRL. Hardy "getting rid of him" is it.

I’m not entirely sure what you are trying to point out there?

Leeds did make Smith an offer but had little chance of matching wasps

Mathers went to the NRL

Calderwood stayed in the SL

Both playing for Wigan then moved on!

Are you suggesting a club should never let an academy product leave? Since Mathers and Calderwood were at the club I would guess Leeds have given first team debuts to around 10-12 academy players including Smith, Hall, Watkins, Burgess etc

Mathers and Calderwood have both been playing top flight RL and are both eligible for England.

Leeds didn't let him go. They tried to retain him but like any other club in the league we couldn't compete with Union.

Nor did we get rid of Mathers and Calderwood. Same thing happened with those young lads after they tasted success with us. Mathers went to the NRl and then some silly club threw silly money at Calderwood. Both Then got re-united and ruined by said silly club



One could say we replaced Mathers and Calderwood with Hall and Smith who went on to play in the threequarters for England tis weekend.

You clearly get the point I am making and I sense you agree.

Once there is loads of quality young English centres running about in Super league we can have heated discussions about who should and shouldn't be playing but, frankly, I am loathed if I am going to be lectured by fans of teams who do not produce English players about Lee Smith, Danny McGuire or anyone else not being up to the task.