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Watched it again, think JJB takes a poor angle and gives Bowen the outside despite the fact there was nobody on his inside. That means Watkins can't slide off because he's worried Bowen is doing to do JJB for gas on his outside. He ends up so engaged on Bowen that he doesn't see Burgess, and for some reason neither does Handley until it's too late.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Watched it again, think JJB takes a poor angle and gives Bowen the outside despite the fact there was nobody on his inside. That means Watkins can't slide off because he's worried Bowen is doing to do JJB for gas on his outside. He ends up so engaged on Bowen that he doesn't see Burgess, and for some reason neither does Handley until it's too late.'"


JJB is leading the kick chase with Ablett some way behind. Bowen is looking to link with his left wing and was always on the outside of JJB angling to touch. As our defense lines up with JJB on the 40m line both Ablett and Watkins are staggered behind this line. Bowen's run is still angled towards the touchline with Burgess and his centre outside him.

In fact JJB is perfectly placed on a collision course to tackle Bowen and has him covered but Watkins misreads and does not slide out to cover the danger man Burgess but steps in to tackle Bowen, obstructing JJB in the process, and in so doing leaves the gap that Bowen exploits for Burgess to speed through. Bowen passes well before the contact from Watkins and had he not passed and Watlkins had stayed on Burgess then JJB would have taken Bowen and there was support from Ablett arriving. So credit Bowen and Burgess but IMO it was a defensive error from Watkins.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "JJB is leading the kick chase with Ablett some way behind. Bowen is looking to link with his left wing and was always on the outside of JJB angling to touch. As our defense lines up with JJB on the 40m line both Ablett and Watkins are staggered behind this line. Bowen's run is still angled towards the touchline with Burgess and his centre outside him.

In fact JJB is perfectly placed on a collision course to tackle Bowen and has him covered but Watkins misreads and does not slide out to cover the danger man Burgess but steps in to tackle Bowen, obstructing JJB in the process, and in so doing leaves the gap that Bowen exploits for Burgess to speed through. Bowen passes well before the contact from Watkins and had he not passed and Watlkins had stayed on Burgess then JJB would have taken Bowen and there was support from Ablett arriving. So credit Bowen and Burgess but IMO it was a defensive error from Watkins.'"


Bowen would've beaten JJB imo looking at the reply from behind the posts. Their's a reason JJB doesn't play in the 2nd row nowadays and speed is the key one. he was playing in the middle and Ablett was 2nd row and should've been between JJB and Watkins not 2m directly behind JJB. Ablett's positioning for the play is basically pointless, he might as well have been stood off the pitch for all the use he was there. The try came from the gap that developed between JJB and Watkins, the gap Ablett should've been in. Watkins starts off the kick chase slightly behind but that's because he's dropped back a bit on the last tackle incase our kickers are hurried and need to throw it out wide to get a kick in like we do sometimes with our centres especially Moon has a few kicks now and again, however he's easily made it a straight line in time for Bowen to approach the line.

JJB was playing prop at that time (having replaced Cuthbertson). Your prop and your centre shouldn't really find themselves next to each other in the defensive line for a kick chase with your second rower a few yards behind. Watkins could've stuck with Burgess and Bowen for me beats JJB, now that could mean a variety of things happen. Hardaker gets to Bowen downfield, Bowen breaks and still finds a support runner and scores etc. But the whole problem and the choices the others had to make arose from Ablett's lazy kick chase. He doesn't do that then Watkins and Handley have no choice to make, JJB isn't struggling to reach Bowen, Hardaker not needed.

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Utterly offerd nothing again should not be playing next week. Great player but said it other week that two year contract looks a joke.

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Quote: rollin thunder "Utterly offerd nothing again should not be playing next week. Great player but said it other week that two year contract looks a joke.'"


Change the record. Burrow made no errors or missed tackles so quite why you pick on him before so many of his teammates who gifted away tries or made the wrong decision on attack that cost us points.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Change the record. Burrow made no errors or missed tackles so quite why you pick on him before so many of his teammates who gifted away tries or made the wrong decision on attack that cost us points.'"



He is not the only one saying it, the majority saying it. You need to stop the man crush, and wake up. The problem is the guy is a waste of a shirt, offers us nothing. It's quite easy not to miss tackles when you are hiding. He made many errors, maybe not stat ones, but ones that cost us from his no idea approach.

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Well I guess last night at least killed the "yeah, but he's a half-back not a hooker, he should be playing there instead" argument.

His most meaningful contribution was the kick that Denny Solomona booted dead from his own 20m line. Struggling to think of anything else positive he did in the game.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Well I guess last night at least killed the "yeah, but he's a half-back not a hooker, he should be playing there instead" argument.

His most meaningful contribution was the kick that Denny Solomona booted dead from his own 20m line. Struggling to think of anything else positive he did in the game.'"


To balance it out a bit, his kicking game is far superior to that of his half back partner last night. Christ we would have been in an even worse position. Burrow did also do a decent kick in the first half, after a couple of McGuire specials.

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Quote: Gotcha "To balance it out a bit, his kicking game is far superior to that of his half back partner last night. Christ we would have been in an even worse position. Burrow did also do a decent kick in the first half, after a couple of McGuire specials.'"


Being told you have a better kicking game than Danny McGuire is like finding out you have more legs than Heather Mills.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Being told you have a better kicking game than Danny McGuire is like finding out you have more legs than Heather Mills.'"


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Quote: Gotcha "He is not the only one saying it, the majority saying it. You need to stop the man crush, and wake up. The problem is the guy is a waste of a shirt, offers us nothing. It's quite easy not to miss tackles when you are hiding. He made many errors, maybe not stat ones, but ones that cost us from his no idea approach.'"

Burrow has never gone into hiding, whether in attack or defence. Critism of his performance overall may be valid but to suggest he was hiding in defence is wrong.

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Quote: Gotcha "He is not the only one saying it, the majority saying it.'"


So that makes it right I suppose like the majority that were after McGuire a short while ago

Quote: Gotcha "You need to stop the man crush, and wake up. The problem is the guy is a waste of a shirt, offers us nothing. It's quite easy not to miss tackles when you are hiding. He made many errors, maybe not stat ones, but ones that cost us from his no idea approach.'"


He was not hiding and made more tackles than has half back partner or all of the back 3 added together. While not being a dominant display you could name half the side that actually had a much more negative effect on the result.

Please be specific about his "many errors ...that cost us from his no idea approach"

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Quote: The Magic Rat "Burrow has never gone into hiding, whether in attack or defence. Critism of his performance overall may be valid but to suggest he was hiding in defence is wrong.'"



All half backs are hiding in defence, that's why they are out wide.

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Quote: Gotcha "All half backs are hiding in defence, that's why they are out wide.'"

So why single out Burrow?

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Quote: The Magic Rat "So why single out Burrow?'"


Because his name came out of the hat this week at the post match meeting of the gloom club.

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