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Quote: mattsrhinos1978 "Thought we'd shrugged our shoulders and moved on? How can i take you seriously when you cant make your mind up from one post to the next. Go on, il humour you...

The success had started long before mcdermott became head coach, since he took over the league positions have largley got worse and the rugby dramatically worse, despite the standard of the opposition getting significantly weaker.

Let me ask you a question? How can a coach with an apparant lack of any weakness, guide a club as big as us, to the middle eights two seasons ago and well on our way there this year? Please dont say injuries, every club gets them.

Dont tell fibs, Your giving yourself way too much credit, you say the things you do because your out of your depth in this discussion. Trying to pass them off as comedic effect is silly.'"


Please read my post and respond logically instead of emotionally. Then I might answer your question. How can I take you seriously when you invent things I’ve said in your head and then ask me to prove these inventions. When did I say he has no weakness?

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Quote: christopher "Well personally i would call people that have consistently used the same arguments to call for McDermotts head sice june 2011 ‘moaners’ but lets agree to disagree.

The point is we have won those GFs those are facts, the enjoyment of the rugby is opinion.'"


Fair enough that pal can't argue with that view.

I have never called for his head once, but felt he should have walked away at end of 2015 and let someone else re-shape the squad. I've always said that a coach with Mcdermott's record needs to go on his terms and not be pushed but it seems the only way he does go is when GH pulls the trigger which is a big shame.

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Quote: mattsrhinos1978 "Thought we'd shrugged our shoulders and moved on? How can i take you seriously when you cant make your mind up from one post to the next. Go on, il humour you...

The success had started long before mcdermott became head coach, since he took over the league positions have largley got worse and the rugby dramatically worse, despite the standard of the opposition getting significantly weaker.

Let me ask you a question? How can a coach with an apparant lack of any weakness, guide a club as big as us, to the middle eights two seasons ago and well on our way there this year? Please dont say injuries, every club gets them.

Dont tell fibs, Your giving yourself way too much credit, you say the things you do because your out of your depth in this discussion. Trying to pass them off as comedic effect is silly.'"


How many Challenge cups had we won in the SL era before Mcdermott and how many after?

How many Trebles?

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Quote: christopher "How many Challenge cups had we won in the SL era before Mcdermott and how many after?

How many Trebles?'"

How many times since hetherington and caddick saved us had we nearly got relegated?

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Quote: _dyl_ "Please read my post and respond logically instead of emotionally. Then I might answer your question. How can I take you seriously when you invent things I’ve said in your head and then ask me to prove these inventions. When did I say he has no weakness?'"

We could go on like a couple of schoolgirls forever, im sure everyone else is sick of us, i thought we'd agreed to move on, but then you appear again. You need to accept that not everyone has to agree with you. I dont care if you answer my question, you'v shown me you lack an undestanding of the game, your answer would more than likely be another failed attempt at intellect, humour or a mixture of both, maybe some nonsense about gold and crap. I dont rate mcdermott, you do. Il be the bigger man and say we'l agree to disagree.

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Quote: mattsrhinos1978 "We could go on like a couple of schoolgirls forever, im sure everyone else is sick of us, i thought we'd agreed to move on, but then you appear again. You need to accept that not everyone has to agree with you. I dont care if you answer my question, you'v shown me you lack an undestanding of the game, your answer would more than likely be another failed attempt at intellect, humour or a mixture of both, maybe some nonsense about gold and crap. I dont rate mcdermott, you do. Il be the bigger man and say we'l agree to disagree.'"


Ok but make sure you don’t mix gold and crap. That wouldn’t make a nice SL winners ring. Well done for being the bigger man.

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Quote: mattsrhinos1978 "How many times since hetherington and caddick saved us had we nearly got relegated?'"


0 times, if you’re referring to 2016, we were never even close to getting relegated.

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Quote: christopher "0 times, if you’re referring to 2016, we were never even close to getting relegated.'"

Closer than we ever should be. For the sake of both our time. I dont rate mcdermott, if you do, good stuff. Agree to disagree.

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Quote: mattsrhinos1978 "Closer than we ever should be. For the sake of both our time. I dont rate mcdermott, if you do, good stuff. Agree to disagree.'"


We were closer before the current management team took over do you remember 1996?

You may not rate McDermott but his record will speak for itself, as does the serial moaners record of being proven wrong.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "I know i started this about the laughton era saying i loved it to watch but i have to say that if that was in the social media era like now, you would still have got many many people wanting his head on a regular basis. Mainly because we were so starved of success back then and he got so much money to spend and we fell short, i remember he brought in Hanley, Eyres, Mercer, Fallon, Innes, Faimalo, Iro, Tait and others all cost a lot of money and with his reputation for winning trophies at Widnes we all thought it would be a given he would deliver for us.yes looking back the rugby was great, fantastic at times. But lets not pretend there was not serious frustration at the time we couldn't land any trophies as good as wigan were Yeah there would probably be a good few who would of been unhappy that we couldnt challenge wigan, the adult me might of been one of them, but id like think i wouldnt of been. Im from cumbria, all my mates were wigan fans, but i was drawn to Leeds, loved watching them and thought kevin iro was the best thing goin. i was only a kid at the time so cant remember the frustration, I was dissapointed, especially with the challenge cups i didnt expect us to topple them over the league season, with the format as it was then, but knew we could beat them in one off games,so went into the finals full of hope, but it wasnt to be. Good times all in all though.

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Good news that oledZki is OK. Not much going right at moment. One win in 7 in SL. Out of next 4 games only Catalan at home looks a fair chance of a win. If we lose that one as well, we will need some wins from the last 3 rounds v Wakey, Widnes and Salford to avoid middle 8's and try to build for the semi final Confidence looks low and we are short of leaders. Ward is a fine player but I think trying to fix defensive problems for teammates and making errors in doing so and trying to do too much with the ball.
We may Kop a few hidings in next few matches.
Can't see Ablett being fit for saints, if he plays it will likely be another one playing injured.
Hives rising to 2016 levels.

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Quote: mattsrhinos1978 "Yeah there would probably be a good few who would of been unhappy that we couldnt challenge wigan, the adult me might of been one of them, but id like think i wouldnt of been. Im from cumbria, all my mates were wigan fans, but i was drawn to Leeds, loved watching them and thought kevin iro was the best thing goin. i was only a kid at the time so cant remember the frustration, I was dissapointed, especially with the challenge cups i didnt expect us to topple them over the league season, with the format as it was then, but knew we could beat them in one off games,so went into the finals full of hope, but it wasnt to be. Good times all in all though.'"


Good times indeed and the 94/95 challenge cup finals rate as some of my best memories i spent with my late father but... I reckon him seeimg the team we both followed winning a treble would have topped it by a country mile, we as leeds supporters have been so lucky to have see what this team and coaches/management team has achieved over the last 15 years it just makes me laugh to see the threads like mcdermott out run on for 7 years whilst we consistently challenge and win trophies

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Jeez. The teams performance was garbage but not as bad as some peoples performance on this thread.......onto St Helens everyone.

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Quote: christopher "We were closer before the current management team took over do you remember 1996?

You may not rate McDermott but his record will speak for itself, as does the serial moaners tecord of neing proven wrong.'"

Yeah i remember 1996, thats why i said before hetherington and caddick saved us. Nathan Picchi, so on and so forth.

Like i said we dont agree on mcdermott and theres nothing wrong with that. No point wasting our time going over and over it. We'r not going to change each others view so mayswel leave it at that.

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Quote: mattsrhinos1978 "Yeah i remember 1996, thats why i said before hetherington and caddick saved us. Nathan Picchi, so on and so forth.

Like i said we dont agree on mcdermott and theres nothing wrong with that. No point wasting our time going over and over it. We'r not going to change each others view so mayswel leave it at that.'"


Ok, lets agree to disagree about McDermott, now tell me who do tou think has been the best coach in SL in the last 10 years?

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