Of course I do. There's also that time at the start of the season when I predicted Leeds wouldn't make the top 4.... don't forget that one, you muppet.
I am not arguing with anyone - its rugby.

Conceding 40 points against us is incredible given our point scoring form this year to date.

Your situation reminds me so much of Wigan in 2005. The experienced leaders had gone and players who'd previously looked very good playing alongside these leaders went to bits and didn't have it in them to replace them.

The worrying thing from a Leeds POV is there's more experience there or thereabouts in terms of it being the end of their careers (JJB, McGuire, Burrow etc).

Whatever happens next someone needs to take Barry and Terry's microphones away before they talk everyone watching the Sky coverage to death. The Salford v Widnes game was unwatchable on many levels but the worst was the running interventions of O'Connor in particular.

Mind'st doesn't help when you play 10 minutes with 12 men for exactly the same offence Tomkins committed Hardakers binning was inconsistent both pretty much in the same place both penalised Hardaker went to the bin Tomkins didn't !!

Hardaker's 'no try' was also a try....

But at the end of the day....the league table doesn't lie ...Leeds are where they deserve to be

Not that it effected the result before anyone starts. But after a good season in 2015 I'm disappointed in Joe Cobb's showings this year. Looked very promising last year but not this.

A female President ? Whoa there is a lot of people here saying even Hillary would a godsend rather than the Vile Male candidate

Truly shocking performance against a very average Wigan side. The really worrying thing is it is getting worse week on week. Baldwinson must have shagged Mac's wife if Walters can get a gig and he can't. Never a SL player in a million years.

I don't think we were has bad as some make out. Bad yes, but not really bad, although I agree Wigan were not much. We had some horrendous calls against us, which happens to all clubs struggling, and we made some pretty poor errors, but overall was not the worst this year.

Walters however I am getting really sick of seeing such complete and utter gash. The lad is just not up to this game, he would be better suited to the other code which he came from. I can't abide players turning their backs going to the defensive line, and he does it each and every single time.

Goulden was found out last night, and looked well out of depth. May have a future if change his skill set to a half, but not convinced in backs, far too lightweight.

Mullalley too looked poor in limited time I think.

Thought Hallas went well, but can't see how he was ever a prop. But looked comfortable and assured. Certain other players had much better games than given credit for.

Completely agree. However, we don't look like winning a game. Instead of doing the clever, skillfull little things that win games we are doing the little dumb things that lose a game. I don't believe the guys were not trying but it's almost without any plan or team cohesion, particularly with the ball.

I agree, and would add still ragged and disorganised as a unit in defence, we just look like a team hanging on and can't get any domination in contact or the ruck whatsoever.

The most depressing part of last nights defeat, was the fact the Wigan side was the poorest Wigan team I have seen in recent years.

Keinhorst was the only one who showed some effort last night.
And if we are pinning our hopes on McGuire we are in trouble.
Saying that leaving him without a halfback partner for most of the game didn't help.

Think they played with more determination last night,but we're just too lightweight in every area,McDermott should be coaching them to go back to basics,still throwing ball about like we're top of the league,far too many simple errors,agree it was a poor Wigan side that beat us,it's obvious baldwinson is out of Leeds.this season is over,prob end up season bottom of the league which is a fair reflection on how we've played.just use the middle eights to get back to winning ways,it isn't going to be easy and now let's see what GH is made of in response to this season.squad clear out is a must.needs a big response for next season.