My take on the game. it was always going to be a struggle given the side McDermott selected. we struggle to score even with regular centres but without any where were the points going to come from? Centre is also a skilled defensive position to play Walters and Sutcliffe together was folly on McDermott's part.

Tom Briscoe has struggled for form for since April tonight was typical of the garbage he has put out on the field. Two of Bradford's tries were down to basic errors of his - shame BJB was injured I would not play Briscoe next week he was truly abysmal

The halves were poor but we have struggled here all year and that includes when Sinfield has played. Finding new half backs should be a priority our options are no longer appropriate if we want to remain a top 4 side beyond this year.

Aiton for me was a poor signing and nothing he has shown on the field has convinced me otherwise. McDermott's desire to move McShane out clouded his judgement. The same can be said of McDermott's non selection of Bailey and Clarkson

Much has been said of how good Achurch has been - maybe it is due to injuries but his form has been poor and last night was his worst game of the season.

On a positive Hardaker played well in a dreadful team performance

Why is it that coaches will never admit they have got it wrong - just for once McDermott stand up and be counted

I thought Briscoe was one of the better players until his slip for the kick on try. The first one he can hardly be blamed for, he had the ball and the bulls player knocked it out in a knock on.

McGuire and Burrow without a doubt for me have excelled in this team with the benefit of Sinfield. Never have they shown anything without Sinfield in the side, throughout their time at Leeds. They are strike players, although one has no strike left, whilst Sinfield controls the shots. There is a reason those two have never being given the controlling role.

To turn that performance round will take some effort. Luckily they have Sinfield back, but even he has a shelf life.

Not necessarily. He'll be one of the exceptions mainly because he brings so much more to the team than just his play. His actual play hasn't been that great this year though.

We must have been at different games Briscoe showed nothing last night - his perceived ability to make ground in collision was just that a perception. Far too much running sideways IMO.

The whole structure of Leeds play since 2003 has been around Sinfield controlling the plays both Burrow and McGuire have been support elements in that structure. it is no surprise that neither are capable of filling the role Sinfield does as they seldom get the opportunity to do it. Could Sinfield provide the support play to the break that McGuire has over the years not a chance - he isn't quick enough nor is his reading of the break alert enough. Could Sinfield break the line as Burrow does again not a chance his lack of pace would put paid to that. In this team different skills have been developed over the years why do many on here think these skills are easily interchangable?

The idea that both these players have ridden on the back of Sinfield's coat tail is - in my opinion - a disgraceful suggestion that I would have expected from you. Both these players have contributed hugely to the success of this team over the years. Without either of these two player perhaps Sinfield wouldn't have won as many medals and as a result nor would he be held in such high esteem by the likes of you.

Are you seriously suggesting he brings more to a team than Andrew Johns - seriously?

In certain areas (leadership, kicking), and compared to what's around him, he kind of does. That's not the same as saying he's a better player than Andrew Johns, and if we had a 32 year-old Johns then I'd want him to go round a few extra years too

I think your desire to defend McGuire there has got the benefit of you Sal. Maybe I didn't word it correctly. I agree with you on the support role, and the line breaking. The point was that neither of these players can control a game, can take a hold of it, which you agree with. So the point that a coach names a team with this in mind for them to do that shows how out of touch he was.

Without that controlling influence, neither of these players could have shown their own qualities, that was the point.

JJB, hardaker and BJB who was injured early, who did play well? bradford ran at walters all night and while i rate the boy, he is just that. a boy. they threw him around like a doll. i would have thought any coach would have seen the same as us and switched him with delaney or JJB even

Actually agree with you both - but can't really blame McD for this issue. Sinfield is banned and we simply do not have another organiser within the club. For all their promise, Stevie Ward or Sutcliffe are not the long term answer to Leeds 'game management' issues. Burrow and McGuire have been terrific for this team with their individual skills, and have been the perfect pairing to partner Sinfield over the years as the 'spine' of this team.

However, we're now desperately in need of 2 new halfs, and I just don't see them coming from within.

We may still do the double this year - I'd not put anything past this group, but time is ticking, and I just feel we need some new blood and thinking to get the best out of the likes of Sutliffe, Ward, Watkins, Hardacre, Moon etc in the coming years.

So I'm guessing none of your are going to congratulate the bulls on outplaying you ??

Re-The H/B issue I know its still only U19's but Jordan Lilley is turning into a very good organising 7 he has the kicking game ,Good passing range and is Leading the team around the pitch.
Far too many players didn't "turn up" last night but at the same time I think the Coach also got it wrong with too many changes and a very lightweight bench.
Hopefully we can turn it around next week the team are certainly capable but fail and we have very few games to recover before the play offs start.

It's been mentioned you were the better team what else do you want more bottles to throw at the players?