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| Quote: BogBrushHead "Must be rough 'round your neck of the woods if people are chucking bombs at the back of your head ![]()
T'would indeed.
But, round here, people don't throw chip paper out of the sunroof either.
Sunroof? In Calderdale? ... now there's a laugh. 
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Benefit of the doubt clearly doesn't extend to grounding the ball with the forearm, obviously.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "The example I like is in the old black and white newsreel footage looking down through the bomb bay of a WWII bomber as the bombs are released.
As the bombs fall away from the 'plane you can still see them framed by the bomb-bay doors, not overtaking and not disappearing behind the plane.
The 'plane hasn't suddenly slowed or become stationary in the air, so the bombs must still be travelling forward at the same speed as the 'plane.
This continuance of forward motion after release is commonly, but erroneously, described as being due to momentum.
It is actually due to inertia.
Inertia is what keeps the object moving forward until some other force is applied to that object.
Inertia is also what keeps a stationary object stationary until some other force is applied to that object.
The chip paper and the bomb both continue forward due to inertia.
Momentum is mass x velocity and is a measurement of the amount and direction of force that is required to slow/stop/change direction the moving object.
The chip paper (travelling slower and having less mass than the bomb) will have less momentum and therefore require less force to stop/slow/change its direction.
Which is why the pedestrian will be unharmed by the chip paper hitting the back of his head but would get a substantially greater clout from a bomb.
I hope that's clear and, if so, I may forward this to Stevo.'"
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Benefit of the doubt clearly doesn't extend to grounding the ball with the forearm, obviously.'"
Haven't seen replays since the game, but to me I can't see what the difference was between the try awarded to Watkins & the McGuire no try. |
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "Haven't seen replays since the game, but to me I can't see what the difference was between the try awarded to Watkins & the McGuire no try.'"
There was seperation between mcguires hands and the ball. Watkins kept fingertips on the ball untill it was grounded.
Mcguire grounded the ball with his forearm after clear seperation with his hands. |
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| Watkins grounded the ball with his hand, McGuire didnt. According to Cummings on sky commentary forearm isn't sufficient, it has to be downward pressure with the hand not arm  |
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| Quote: RossRhino "Watkins grounded the ball with his hand, McGuire didnt. According to Cummings on sky commentary forearm isn't sufficient, it has to be downward pressure with the hand not arm ![]()
Actually what he said was, and I never knew this rule, was that if the ball leaves the hand it has to be regained in the hand to constitute control. Of course from a kick a try can be scored with downward pressure of the forearm.
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I assume Cummins explanation is correct as per the rules because I always thought you could ground it with the forearm
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| Quote: Gotcha "Actually what he said was, and I never knew this rule, was that if the ball leaves the hand it has to be regained in the hand to constitute control. Of course from a kick a try can be scored with downward pressure of the forearm.'"
So if you have possession, lose it from the hand and don't regain it you cant score by simultaneously grounding the ball with your forearm like last night where as if you never lost the ball, from a kick for example, downward pressure with the forearm is sufficient?
I suppose in reality there was little control last night when McGuire 'scored' but then, if chasing a kick and grounding with a forearm, how much control do you really have?
Anyway glad thats cleared up :p |
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| Quote: RossRhino "So if you have possession, lose it from the hand and don't regain it you cant score by simultaneously grounding the ball with your forearm like last night where as if you never lost the ball, from a kick for example, downward pressure with the forearm is sufficient?
I suppose in reality there was little control last night when McGuire 'scored' but then, if chasing a kick and grounding with a forearm, how much control do you really have?
Anyway glad thats cleared up
Or if you knock the ball forward but then fortuitously kick it before it reaches the ground like Lomax then it's not a knock on.
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| Quote: Old Feller "Or if you knock the ball forward but then fortuitously kick it before it reaches the ground like Lomax then it's not a knock on.'" it should be |
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| Quote: The Eagle "it should be'"
Except the laws say it isn't.
"If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a
goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed."
Without watching it back frame-by-frame, I'm not sure the ball didn't make contact with the ground before/at the same time as Lomax kicked it though.
Much like the McGuire one at the DW a couple of years ago, where he knocked on then kicked through for someone to score, only for the VR to chalk it off. |
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The try that Hall scored in the GF I think it was 2008 the one where he kicked through looked like it his wrist.Must take a look
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "The try that Hall scored in the GF I think it was 2008 the one where he kicked through looked like it his wrist.Must take a look'"
As I said above from what Cummins said, downward pressure is fine with other parts of the body, but if the ball has dropped from the hand it has to be regained by the hand before anything else in order to not be a knock on in the act of scoring. |
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