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Quote: Andy Gilder "I was at the first American Bowl at Wembley, a pre-season game between the then reigning Superbowl champion Chicago Bears and the Dallas Cowboys.

They played IIRC seven of them, and at no point did the idea of playing a regular season game at Wembley even look remotely realistic. Indeed the NFL took the American Bowl games away after 1993 and focused more on Japan, Canada and Mexico.

They tried to run a franchise out of Wembley in the old World League/NFL Europe. It failed. Pretty miserably. In the end the NFL virtually gave up on expansion into Europe until fairly recently.

If you had said in 1986, or in 1993, or when the Monarchs were around, that NFL franchises would be willing to give up regular season home games to move them to Wembley very few people would have taken you seriously.

A SL team would work anywhere, providing you grow it, market it and develop it properly in the way the NFL have done. What doesn't work is dropping a ready made team into an area and expecting fans to take it to their bosom, then complaining when they're not immediately drawing 10k crowds and winning every week.'"


The NFL are only playing three games a year at Wembley not a whole season the dynamic is very different. Easier to market an exclusive - an example would be Bolt running a one off meeting. If the NFL were playing at Wembley every week I doubt the attendances would anywhere near as large. If you want to see elite American Football live this is your only opportunity, the same could not be said of a new RL franchise

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Don't really know how seriously the NFL are taking expansion into the UK when they don't even know where it is???



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Quote: Sal Paradise "The NFL are only playing three games a year at Wembley not a whole season the dynamic is very different. Easier to market an exclusive - an example would be Bolt running a one off meeting. If the NFL were playing at Wembley every week I doubt the attendances would anywhere near as large. If you want to see elite American Football live this is your only opportunity, the same could not be said of a new RL franchise'"

there is only 8 home games in an NFL season, so hardly every week 8 games between september and january is easily sustainable with crowds of over 60000

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Looks like Sam might be fast tracked into the England set up sooner than we thought.
Clearly made a good impression in his first game then.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "I'm not sure how much money has to do with it right now, although the potential to make huge amounts in RU if he succeeds is greater than anything he could get in RL.

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Jonny Wilkinson was earning around a 600k a year at Toulon in his last season. That's about as much as you can earn in salary in Europe. France has a very high cap - nearly 8 million.

I suspect being part of the England RU setup would be a gateway to some lucrative buisness and sponsorship opportunities.

I'm reluctant to judge motives though. Not everyone "loves" living in Australia and Bath isn't such a bad place to do your sport. Thinking of taking my son down there next season if he wants to play a bit more seriously, he'll ceratinly be swimming there 6 times a week at the university.

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Quote: chapylad "Looks like Sam might be fast tracked into the England set up sooner than we thought.
Clearly made a good impression in his first game then.'"



Just saw Stuart Lancaster's comments, really hard to believe that the RFU just gave him another 4 year contract.

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Sam has a lot to live up to. Apparently Courtney Lawes was taken off “after making an astonishing 12 tackles in an hour”.

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Quote: tigertot "Sam has a lot to live up to. Apparently Courtney Lawes was taken off “after making an astonishing 12 tackles in an hour”.'"



As I said on previous page Lawes had an outstanding game on Saturday, I was there. The number of tackles is irrelevant, as more relevant was the change of direction from the Aussies to keep away from him.

What is also more relevant, is that I believe in Union, the stats for tackling are recorded as the first man in, rather than also including the 2nd and 3rd man, like league. I am not a defender of Union, far from it, but the comparison of tackles if made to league, should be a fair reflection.

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Well we have the uneven fixture in the 2nd half of the league...there's our opportunity to take the game on the road.
Even double head them and play in areas like Birmingham/Nottingham/Leicester/Bristol/Newcastle

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Quote: suffolk rhinos "there is only 8 home games in an NFL season, so hardly every week 8 games between september and january is easily sustainable with crowds of over 60000'"


Do they play the play off games on neutral grounds?

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What I find disturbing from a RL perspective is that the RFL can't sell out Wembley for an international between us & Australia nor for the Challenge Cup Final whereas the RU is able to sell out both Wembley & Twickenham for Premiership RU games.
Plus in terms of expansion the RU premiership is moving teams out of London. Saracens, London Irish & Wasps have or are moving to grounds away from their so-called supporter base.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Wasps crowds when they move to the Ricoh Stadium in Coventry.
Can you see that happening & being successful in RL? Salford fans can't even be bothered to move 3 miles in the same area despite Koucash's massive investment.
On the other side of the coin GH still hasn't managed to establish a viable RU presence in Leeds. Maybe it's a northern thing? Are we all too parochial in this part of the world?

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Quote: Wire Yed "Well we have the uneven fixture in the 2nd half of the league...there's our opportunity to take the game on the road.
Even double head them and play in areas like Birmingham/Nottingham/Leicester/Bristol/Newcastle'"


Why?
We can't even get locals to come out in large numbers to support the Magic Weekend, so all this would do is deprive home supporters of the opportunity to support their own team as easily as they would if the game were to be played at home.

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Play the long game

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Quote: tigertot "Sam has a lot to live up to. Apparently Courtney Lawes was taken off “after making an astonishing 12 tackles in an hour”.'"


I think someone has already pointed out the different jobs RL and RU forwards have during a game.
RU is fully professional, they have the highest levels of fitness possible for the sport they play, in days past fitness in RU was a joke compared to League, not any more. Laws is a phenomenal athlete and had an outstanding game on Saturday.

I'm sure Sam will find out the pleasures of mauling for a forward. After 30 seconds (which seems like an hour) your muscles feel like they are on fire and your lungs stop working.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Do they play the play off games on neutral grounds?'"

if the team made the playoffs (doubtful for a while, they would sell out)

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