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| Quote: supercat "Just a tad judgemental aren't we..?
Would have loved to have seen Leeds do as many years in Superleague with BOD like we have had. They wouldn't have even merited as a mickey mouse bunch by anyone's standard. You judge us by our past and not by what we are now a new company with fresh input and with people who know how to run a business. We still won't be anywhere near the biggest team or club but we still offer something to superleague. You yourselves are looking at the possibility that you too could be slapped with a massive tax bill.'"
Exactly, judging the club on what they have said and done before and not what they have yet to do. Judgemental barstewards the lot of them.
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| Quote: supercat "Just a tad judgemental aren't we..?
Would have loved to have seen Leeds do as many years in Superleague with BOD like we have had. They wouldn't have even merited as a mickey mouse bunch by anyone's standard. You judge us by our past and not by what we are now a new company with fresh input and with people who know how to run a business. We still won't be anywhere near the biggest team or club but we still offer something to superleague. You yourselves are looking at the possibility that you too could be slapped with a massive tax bill.'"
WTF has a possible impending Tax Bill (Which is still way off btw) got to do with his opinions on what you do/don't offer SL?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Exactly, judging the club on what they have said and done before and not what they have yet to do. Judgemental barstewards the lot of them.'"
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| Quote: supercat "Just a tad judgemental aren't we..?
Would have loved to have seen Leeds do as many years in Superleague with BOD like we have had. They wouldn't have even merited as a mickey mouse bunch by anyone's standard. You judge us by our past and not by what we are now a new company with fresh input and with people who know how to run a business. We still won't be anywhere near the biggest team or club but we still offer something to superleague. You yourselves are looking at the possibility that you too could be slapped with a massive tax bill.'"
But not in respect of unpaid VAT, NI etc. Not that your previous board would have recognised the difference.
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
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| Quote: Old Feller "But not in respect of unpaid VAT, NI etc. Not that your previous board would have recognised the difference.'"
I understand that currently all the Super League clubs who are threatened with an image rights tax bill have been advised by the RFL and their lawyers not to pay any tax to HMRC. This is, I understand, a fairly normal piece of legal tax advice that is given when taxation is under dispute and then once resolved, the tax is then paid. Now of course, you are advised to keep it safe and sound in your bank until such time as you do resolve things, but if you ain't got it in the first place then of course this is difficult!
So, in actual fact I suspect Leeds are currently not paying any company tax to HMRC but probably do have it sat in the bank waiting to be paid when things finally get resolved.
Not defending Wakefield's previous BOD tax issues... just being a slight pedant!
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| Quote: LS16_Rhino "In 2008 two Wakefield fans I accidentally bumped into in a bar in Brisbane presented the hypothesis that England’s poor performances in the World Cup were because Senior was picked (by the ‘Leeds’ based RFL) above Ryan Atkins. These deluded morons were serious and typified your average Wildcats supporter.'"
It would still have been all Leeds' fault even if Atkins had played instead of Senior.
Atkins is a Leeds lad and all his family support Leeds.
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1 Warrington 2 Hull 3 Wigan 4 Castleford 4 Castleford 5 St Helens 6 Leeds 7 Catalans 8 Hudedersfield 9 Widnes 10 Wakefield
11 Salford 12 Leigh
Playoffs:Warrington Hull Wigan Castleford
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "I understand that currently all the Super League clubs who are threatened with an image rights tax bill have been advised by the RFL and their lawyers not to pay any tax to HMRC. This is, I understand, a fairly normal piece of legal tax advice that is given when taxation is under dispute and then once resolved, the tax is then paid. Now of course, you are advised to keep it safe and sound in your bank until such time as you do resolve things, but if you ain't got it in the first place then of course this is difficult!
So, in actual fact I suspect Leeds are currently not paying any company tax to HMRC but probably do have it sat in the bank waiting to be paid when things finally get resolved.
Not defending Wakefield's previous BOD tax issues... just being a slight pedant!'"
I'd be interested in Mr Gilder's thoughts on clubs witholding VAT & NI contributions due to the HMRC even when there is a dispute.
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| I really like how businesses can delay and even avoid paying taxes in this country. Not many honest employees who find themselves much lower down the food chain have much if any choice in the matter.
I think I won't pay any income tax this week.
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982.jpg [quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: tvoc "I really like how businesses can delay and even avoid paying taxes in this country. '" I know. Great innit.
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| Quote: LS16_Rhino "I've had a word with myself and we're in complete agreement - we would much prefer to go to Keighley than the hovel that I suspect you call your 'home-town'... and Keighley is a REAL sh*thole.
Without exception, every Trinity fan I have ever had the misfortune to meet has come across as small minded and persecuted. In 2008 two Wakefield fans I accidentally bumped into in a bar in Brisbane presented the hypothesis that England’s poor performances in the World Cup were because Senior was picked (by the ‘Leeds’ based RFL) above Ryan Atkins. These deluded morons were serious and typified your average Wildcats supporter.
You’ve had your chances in Super League and blown them, now move aside and let someone else have a go.'"
Clearly you felt at home with the morons.
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
IA mode off. [/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg |
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| Quote: Old Feller "I'd be interested in Mr Gilder's thoughts on clubs witholding VAT & NI contributions due to the HMRC even when there is a dispute.'"
I understand that this is general legal advice when a legal and court hearing over disputed tax is pending. Just because HMRC demand tax it does not make them right in the eyes of the law and when you say, sorry HMRC, we think you are wrong and we are going to take this further HMRC have no choice but to defend their position in court. I suspect the reason monies are held back is that they are now subject to a legal challenge. In no other area of law would this happen, so why are HMRC any different?
Lets say company A claimed company B owed them a sum of money and company B denied this. Do you think company B would simply pay up and then say to company A, by the way I am taking you to court because I don't think I owe you this money but you have it for now and then if I win you can pay me it back! What about the interest company A would owe company B if they won in court?
I think 'withholding tax' is different to what the Super League clubs may have been advised to do because they are 'disputing' not 'withholding' and will pay-up when the legal dispute is concluded.
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Club Owner | 28186 | No Team Selected |
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| Quote: Old Feller "I'd be interested in Mr Gilder's thoughts on clubs witholding VAT & NI contributions due to the HMRC even when there is a dispute.'"
Well seeing as you asked...
If you appeal a determination of tax due raised by HMRC you can apply for the amount under dispute to be held over until the appeal is agreed. So if, for example, HMRC demanded £500k in back PAYE and NICs payments to cover image rights payments to players, you can appeal their judgement and have the debt stood over until a final decision is reached.
What you can't do is arbitrarily withold all future payments of VAT, PAYE and NICs that fall due on the off chance that some of it might end up not actually being due. Well, strictly speaking you can but don't be surprised to find a private debt collection agency knocking on your door wanting to raise a list of goods they can take in settlement.
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| That appears to makes sense.
Some mistake there surely.
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| If PAYE is designed to take the tax as you earn the salary, how is it so frequently wrong resulting in a revised tax code the following year, when all details were provided to HMRC on time and in full?
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| Quote: TURFEDOUT "Clearly you felt at home with the morons.'"
Really... that's the best you could do?
Well done.
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