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Quote: Rogues Gallery "First of all congratulations on the victory, well deserved and Leeds were the better side. I thought Peacock was outstanding and for me should be man of steel.

Just a few points, the forward pass for Thornleys try was never forward but we got the rub of the green with the 40

Rogues, what are your thoughts for the remainder of the season? Have to admit if you'd asked me before last night I'd have happily bet that Leeds wouldn't even make the GF, let alone win it. Seeing that we have still got that level of intensity in us I've changed my mind!

For me, Wigan seem to have lost the fear factor of the last couple of seasons - or simply don't seem as physical. I appreciate not having O'Loughlin available is a big blow, but what else has gone wrong? Despite the love/hate relationship between clubs, games between Leeds & Wigan are always my favourite

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Quote: AJC "


Wigan looked like we did in 2009. No lack of effort or commitment, but simply not good enough. One or 2 pie fans (on the goon board) are convinced last night didn't matter & the players weren't up for it, but that's not the game I saw. As for golden/rat (delete as applicable) boy, in order to be considered a true world class player you need to be able to defend as well as attack. He should have stopped BJB, and the attempt on Ablett was schoolboy stuff. The Aussies will have a field day I fear.

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Thought Tomkins was pretty good defensively myself, much better than he used to be, and saved a few tries, made a mess of one bomb but dropped it backwards while the one he let bounce he was probably right to leave 40 yards from his line. The tackle on Hardaker after Hall's pop-up ball was excellent and saved a try, his ball-steal play on Hall was also smart work and a momentum-changer. Don't think he could have done any more in trying to catch BJB with that start, he could have done more to stop Ablett though, but any fullback can be made to look stupid one-on-one.

What you'd worry about more with Tomkins is that, given how good a runner he can be, he NEVER properly took the ball back up after fielding a kick.

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Quote: AJC "Rogues, what are your thoughts for the remainder of the season? Have to admit if you'd asked me before last night I'd have happily bet that Leeds wouldn't even make the GF, let alone win it. Seeing that we have still got that level of intensity in us I've changed my mind!

For me, Wigan seem to have lost the fear factor of the last couple of seasons - or simply don't seem as physical. I appreciate not having O'Loughlin available is a big blow, but what else has gone wrong? Despite the love/hate relationship between clubs, games between Leeds & Wigan are always my favourite'"


I think we're probably short of two players, a prop and a centre. O'Loughlin covers up for that missing prop because he can play like a prop, standoff or a loose forward as the game dictates.
The centre position is an infuriating one, you saw Thornleys poor decision making last night and it's happened quite lot this season. I don't think people realised (including our own fans) just how good George Carmont was. Joel moon should have been Wigans no.1 target at the end of last season, and I would have a go at Dean Collis fot next.

Lauaki should be able to do that aggressive props job, but he's having problems. I thought Andy Powell again showed some good signs last night though, but we'll certainly need to replace Mossop next season.

On the Tomkins part, I thought he did remarkably well to get close to BJB considering the start and angle he had to make up. Because Leeds pack dominated it was difficult for Wigan to create space to use his running game. It's normal for him to use that drop off to Richards or Charnley.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Some clever little bits of game-planning off the training pitch last night.

The little scoot blind side then turn it back in to the player who had just played the ball caught out Wigan's aggressive marker defence a couple of times. Both markers set off after the dummy half, leaving a gap back behind the ruck.


Anyone clarify what the ruling is on the tackle being completed on a grounded player? Thought Hall's momentum had stopped when Tomkins completed the ball steal, which would have made it illegal?'"


I use that move time and again in touch rugby. The hole is so big even a fat, near 50 year old like me can run through it.

Thought Hall was clearly tackled. Ball carrying arm does not have to touch the ground for the tackle to be complete.

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Quote: DHM "I use that move time and again in touch rugby. The hole is so big even a fat, near 50 year old like me can run through it.

Thought Hall was clearly tackled. Ball carrying arm does not have to touch the ground for the tackle to be complete.'"


I thought it was fine. It appeared to be done in one motion with Tomkins getting his arms round the ball and then twisting his body to rip the ball away. Certainly before there was any call that he was "held". IMO a smart piece of play. I just thought that Hall was unlucky that the ball didn't bounce up because if he'd been able to run onto it no one would have touched him.

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Soon we will be dancing the Fandango FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. JAMIE PEACOCK:



Quote: AJC "Ooops, of course! There's been that many I had only just got up when I read that.Ive been scratching my head supping my coffee.Thanks Eagle for the correction d040.gif

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Long time reader, first time poster, so here's my two penneth. I though Leeds were excellent last night, and it didn't really look like anyone had a bad game (even though Achurch and Sutty had limited gametime at the back end, they showed a lot of enthusiasm).

In terms of our standout performers, JP, Ablett and Hall were all exceptional, and were making a good amount of yardage in the tackle every time they had the ball. JP for me has got to be this year's Man of Steel, Ablett seems to be coming into his prime, and Hall not only ran it in like a forward, but kept Charnley quiet all night, and pretty much showed him up (one of the things I've always thought made Hall an exceptional player is the impact he can have on games even when he's not scoring a bucketload of tries).

But for me, one of the most impressive performances last night cam efrom the young last Singleton. He ran it in with such enthusiasm, crunched Wigan on defense (there was one tackle on Tomkins in particular that shut down all his space and stopped him dead). He looked to have an old head (I keep forgetting he's only 20, given that he's been around the first team for a few years) and included two (?) really neat offloads that led to a couple of near-try scoring opportunities.

I think Leeds laid down a marker last night, and signaled their intent. To completely shut down Wigan for long periods on their home turf (our reading of their attack and defensive structure was one of the highlights) was always going to require a special effort, and Leeds delivered last night.

Very proud.

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Quote: craigizzard "Thought Tomkins was pretty good defensively myself, much better than he used to be, and saved a few tries, made a mess of one bomb but dropped it backwards while the one he let bounce he was probably right to leave 40 yards from his line. The tackle on Hardaker after Hall's pop-up ball was excellent and saved a try, his ball-steal play on Hall was also smart work and a momentum-changer. Don't think he could have done any more in trying to catch BJB with that start, he could have done more to stop Ablett though, but any fullback can be made to look stupid one-on-one.

What you'd worry about more with Tomkins is that, given how good a runner he can be, he NEVER properly took the ball back up after fielding a kick.'"



YEs on that performance, Hardacker made a great shout for the FB spot come the world cup and Hall cemeneted his place, the others can battle it out for the other wing spot

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Quote: Maximillion "YEs on that performance, Hardacker made a great shout for the FB spot come the world cup and Hall cemeneted his place, the others can battle it out for the other wing spot'"


Personally I'd play Hardaker and Hall as the wings with Tomkins at fullback. The option is still there to have Hardaker at fb for the defensive sets and back to the wing with Tomkins as the extra half on attack.

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last night was a massive step up from anything that we have seen this season,i thought all the returning injured players ran their blood to water

sinny looked like a natural 9 and we looked far more balanced and composed around the ruck area

jp,jjb and abbo were absolutely tremendous up front and murdered the wigan pack

this game and last weeks battle against catalans has set us up nicely for the play offs



Quote: Sal Paradise "You have to wonder at JJB's fitness and sheer inner mental strength, he must have been hurting for long periods in that game yet it never showed. '"

that's what makes jones'y a legend sal and i'm glad that you're finally realising how good he is
If JJB plays well I will say so if he gives away numerous penalties or has a poor game I will also say so. I know it is hard to accept from your myopic view of matters but those two things do happen.

One thing that can never be questioned is his commitment to his team mates, work rate and his self belief/will to win.

Without doubt one of the key players in the unrivalled success of this team.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "First of all congratulations on the victory, well deserved and Leeds were the better side. I thought Peacock was outstanding and for me should be man of steel.

Just a few points, the forward pass for Thornleys try was never forward but we got the rub of the green with the 40
A fair assessment , the pass was not forward or even a flat pass so the try should have been awarded. In the grand scheme of things it did not affect the result. The best team won.
I would not write of Wigan surely they must have one big game in them,although the loss of O Loughlin is a massive blow. Playing Tompkins at full back is a mystery to me he is one of the best line break players in the league, and whilst he performs well at full back he is wasted in that spot.
With regards to the forward pass I hope to goodness none of the big games to come are decided on a dumbass refereeing decision .
Beware of St. Helens nobody seems to be fancying them to get to old trafford , so there is no pressure on them so they could surprise a few teams.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Just a few points, the forward pass for Thornleys try was never forward but we got the rub of the green with the 40

It was, IMO, because of the 40:22 that Thornley's try (or at least the build up to it) was pinged. Recompense, so to speak, for the blatant earlier fekk-up.

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It was ironic, the 40-22 was given then they set the scrum outside of the 20

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