- TBF the Ellis try was right in front of us and the grounding looked fine. It was close but he did seem to get the ball down before the whitewash.

Fair do's FB if that's the case i'll happily admit defeat but i'm not convinced without seeing it in slow mo because even the replay imo seemed to show him to be in front of Chase and not ground the ball in goal.

The new ref's supremo must be having an influence already. Having to suffer one Steve 'draconian one week, laissez faire the next' Ganson was bad enough without the creation of a posse of clones.

I wonder what the coach will be thinking about a 4 to 1 penalty advantage to the home team this week.

Unrelated to Bentham but Jon Wilkin just did a late should charge to the head and only got put on report. Consistency?

I know some are saying now that shoulder charges are banned shouldn't all offences be a red/yellow card but I think they have to be treated the same as head high tackles.....some are worthy of dismissal, some a simple penalty while do.

There's just been another one with Gardener but to be fair the ref can't be 100% sure because he's eyes will be following the ball which had gone. And that's going to be the problem with the shoulder charges, most will be 'after the ball has gone'.....sometimes ref's will catch it out of the corner of their eye sometimes they wont and if they aren't sure then only 'on report' makes sense.

Yeah they're very subjective to whether the touch judges and the ref see the point of contact and how late it was etc, in this case though could the ref not ask the video ref where the contact was, if the technology is there why not use it?

he gave you everything didnt he

Could you leave our board and never return please kidda

Don't get me wrong mate, he was a mile offside at the kick but his grounding seemed ok.

I'd agree with that.

All shoulder charges should now be penalised as a matter of routine, although it appears some won't be (such as for example Huby on Ah Van last week in the Castleford V Widnes game) and you'd expect any that make contact with an opponent's head should result in a red card - this was already becoming the case in 2012 even before the shoulder charge was banned.

Jon Wilkin should have a case to answer after his challenge on Dobson yesterday.

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After the Gardner one on Welham, why wasn't the Hodgson 'try' allowed to stand? It appeared that Silverwood ruled a knock-on yet Hodgson got his leg to the ball before it hit the deck to propel it forward before it hit the ground and I thought after a Dave Halley 'no try' ruling in a Bradford -Leeds game from a few seasons back - the rule book geeks had determined that that didn't constitute a knock-on.

I thought that when I watched the game too. Maybe it was Hodgson 'giving himself up', had he after putting the ball down got up celebrating a try then Silverwood MIGHT'VE gone to the screen, but he kind of just 'owned up' to knocking on.

I'd have to check but I got the impression at the time that Silverwood had already blown for the knock-on before Hodgson followed up to touch-down. That might excuse Hodgson's poor attempt at claiming the score.

Personally I don't think such instances should be play-on (as I argued at the time in regards the Dave Halley incident) but if it's covered in the laws the referee should apply the correct ruling.

I suppose it depends on the player. When Leeds recently played Catalans one of their players got up and looked certain he'd scored a try, when they went to the screen Vickery had clearly knocked it out for a drop-out before the Catalans player got there.

As Hodgson was only about 5 yards out he could've just plonked the ball down regardless and then asked the question, however i don't think Silverwood is the type to change his mind so probably would've been fruitless.

I think both players in those incidents were playing to the whistle which is why I imagine Mathias Pala claimed the score and David Hodgson didn't.

In fairness to Hodgson he probably felt gutted that he'd spilled the pass with the line at his mercy.