Yup.

I honestly think if we get those two - three big forwards and play to a "normal" game plan then we will do better next year.

I'd prefer it wasn't RS as I think he seems stuck to his way of wanting to do things and last year + this year hasn't sunk in for him.

If continue with it we will start to lose players that want out while they still have a name to attract contracts

French and Field didn’t deliver those performances for Wigan in their first season either to be fair.

French and Field didn’t deliver those performances for Wigan in their first season either to be fair.

Field was injured for most of his first season at Wigan.
Was player of the year in his second.

So he didn’t deliver in his first year

French took a couple of years and a position switch to be the ayer he is now.

Agree with Arthur as well on player development. We bemoan poor development of juniors into first team players (and rightly so), but the number who reach the first team and stagnate is also a poor reflection on the club.

Newman is the latest example of a could be great/could be blah player, and based on recent history you wouldn't bet a lot on him being the best he can be at Leeds. There was a bit of an outcry from Leeds fans when Mik wasn't picked for England, but in my opinion he's some way behind the very best, and is one of our pack that regularly get crushed by bigger teams, and just isn't the pack leader we hoped he would be. Cameron Smith looks good every now and then and does a lot of work, but often looks horribly slow and his decision-making as to how and when to put himself into the line as a playmaker is generally terrible.

One thing I don't understand is how we always seem to have so many small forwards coming through, whereas other clubs seem to find good big players. This goes back to Bluey's days as coach, when he spotted this issue straight away with our junior/reserve props. No idea how this keeps happening, but we need to develop far more big forwards ourselves IMO.

Another mistake we seem to keep making is betting everything on one player in a position, and persevering too long when its obvious they're not what we hoped. Liam Sutcliffe failed as a prospective stand off, then a centre etc. He was around for years, and it would probably have been better for both parties if he'd left way earlier.

I don't know where the problem is, but if a club the size of Leeds can't get it right then the game as a whole will suffer.

Liam Sutcliffe is the biggest scape goat on this forum, it's amazing his name is still mentioned. He was a decent SL player. Not amazing, but good value on the cap, and it's not like he's been replaced by world beaters since.

We also have to acknowledge we've had really bad luck over player development. Stevie Ward and Jack Walker should have been our stars of the academy of that generation. Stevie in my opinion wouldn't be far off being England captain by now had his career not been blighted by injuries. Let's hope Gannon (another future star) isn't going in the same direction.

We could have done with Sutcliffe the last few years for our centres rather than Martin or Roberts.

My thoughts as well. Hopefully Blease is a good appointment but the sporting director role is to provide a structure that facilitates success and development at all levels within the club. To take a football analogy if a pep guardiola team plays his style of football at first team level all development teams within the club are coached and play a similar fashion which helps young players move upwards with a greatest opportunity to progress to that next level. Elitë level signings also fit the system and it is clear how they improve the team and compliment the club developed players. Thats my point regarding culture and identity its about a clear vision and framework to operate in at all levels. Penrith and Melbourne are good examples of this in the NRL. To be fair to RS he came in as manager but had no input to all the other coaching appointments below him. Moving forward the sporting director with significant input from the first team coach should be creating a joined up rugby pathway through all levels of the club.

The question of youth development is again very arguable isn't it?

Maybe Newman just isn't that good. He looks great athletically, but maybe he isn't as good as his swag implies? Is it the club's fault (so many on here just love blaming the club), or has the player just got limits? He is still learning and improving I'm sure.

Holroyd can't get and stay fit. Is that the club's fault? I don't know.

We have had a few false dawns with players like Walker, Broadbent, Edwards and some others. That happens. Apart from Dupree, I can't think of any other academy lads who have gone elsewhere and torn up trees. Most (like Lilley) become solid Champ players or lower-level (Cas/Hull) SL players.

I see a clutch of players coming through the system now who I believe have better potential; better size than we've had for a while plus ability. I am expecting 4-5 new additions to first grade over the next few years. So in that regard I'd say the problem is partly fixed.

It needs to be appreciated that your reap what you sow with youth - we are still paying the price now for a system which wasn't working well 5 years ago. It could be the best academy in the universe right now but we wouldn't see the real benefits in first grade for a few years.

I also happen to think that we're all expecting a whole golden generation to come through at once, and if you look at the actual facts that didn't even happen with the golden generation. The hardcore of young players took several years to emerge, and they were supplemented with signings like Senior, McDermott, Fleary, Harris, Ellis, Briscoe etc over time. Plus some real high quality OS signings of course.

Clearly in today's world it's harder to sign players like Lauitiiti or Webb, we all get that. Nevertheless other competitor clubs have out-signed us consistently for a long time and I hope Blease stops that. I'm sure he'll make a professional, thorough review and make some changes to the whole setup, and let's all hope it's effective. I'll be interested to see whether he thinks it's a tweaking job, or root-and-branch like some of you think.

I was more commenting on Croft and Miller who were mentioned.

A good appointment in my view and a very long time overdue.

Arthur C made a good point , he needs to get more out of our homegrown players.

It’s a real pity this did not happen a year ago when he could have dealt with the 11 coming off contract. The timing of this gives a way the lie that this is a strategic move.

The disappointing bit is on the face of it Blease had little room to change the squad for 18 months. Olpherts, Fusitua, Donaldson and Corey Johnson leaving will Hall already coming in, might leave space for 1 decent quota signing.

However, if we lose Martin it’s a pretty big hole to fill as he is a good character, reliable , durable, attacks well when we get on front foot and a great goal kicker.

We will need a quality second row , I wonder if Kallum Watkins may be on the radar.

Regardless , I’m glad he is here but I think his hands are tied in terms of players for nearly 2 years due to the unrelenting incompetence of our recruitment and GH in particular.

Blease coming in might give players like Johnson some new hope actually, we'll see.

I think Martin will end up going, someone out there is going to offer enough money for him to go (maybe Leigh already have). Olpherts + Donaldson might be enough for a project signing, Fus + Martin should be enough for the kind of prop we need. Blease might yet move one or two other players on to make room.

Don't we have potentially a third marquee available for next year anyway?