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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Sutcliffe is only 21. Most HBs are=#BF0040 illegible until their mid-20s. Thurston could only grunt at that age. Give the kid some time, I can't believe the criticism of his diction on here from keyboard warriors. He'll sound like Stephen Fry after a couple of seasons. If you know what I mean.'"
I was not being critical of his written word or his diction. When the likes of teenagers like Lilley and Golding have been interviewed on TV they have come over as alert, quick and bright. I did not see this from Sutty at the touchscreen as Jon Wells had to work hard to get anything from him.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"I was not being critical of his written word or his diction. When the likes of teenagers like Lilley and Golding have been interviewed on TV they have come over as alert, quick and bright. I did not see this from Sutty at the touchscreen as Jon Wells had to work hard to get anything from him.'"
FFS! Really? You're critical of how a young rugby league player comes across on TV?
On a different topic, I was particularly upset at how Handley's shorts didn't seem to fit him snugly enough.
Also, why oh why don't our players wear those super pink boots?
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| Quote Biff Tannen="Biff Tannen"I agree, he had his moments but not enough to regard him a success on the International stage unfortunately.'"
Sinfield had one good game against the Aussies at hooker in 2001. I think the Aussies had just got off the plane after cancelling the tour a few weeks prior? Mike Forshaw was scrum half IIRC... says it all really.
Quote Biff Tannen="Biff Tannen"He was playing during an era of pretty poor England/GB sides though (2007-2012 we were particularly bad as a group imo), who were up against at times fantastic Aussie teams with the Queensland spine in their pomp, just something i think should be taken into consideration.Put Sinfield in that Aussie team i have no doubt he would have shone but he just didn't have the players around him, and Sinfield's game isn't built around virtuoso individualism. I also thought he was pretty good during his swansong the 2013 WC (last play aside) when we had a capable team who could get on the front foot which highlights what he may have been able to produce in years past had he had the personnel around him. All, if's buts and maybe's i know but things that need to be considered imo.'"
Sinfield has never been international class. You know that deep down even if it is difficult to acknowledge because in doing so, it is seen as disrespectful to a Rhinos legend playing at the level of Super League.
We've had poor international sides for as long as I can recall but at least some of our players have made an international impact... Schofield, Hanley, Graham, Burgess, Sculthorpe, Fielden (until he was chinned by Mason), etc.
Presenting the bloke with a Golden Boot for skippering England to a series win against Wales and France was embarrassing at worst and a joke at best. Some proprietor of League and Union magazines wished to flog a few thousand more of his stock.
When that critical moment arrived with just a few minutes to go in a World Cup semi final at Wembley, Sinfield as skipper, organiser and tactical kicker bottled it. He couldn't handle the pressure. And I'm not talking about gifting Shaun Johnson an opportunity for a skip and a jink to the try line either. It's was Sinfield's brainfart prior to that which created the conditions and circumstances for the defeat.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"
Having watched other players at the touchscreen including Thurston the other week, it is fair comment to say that Sutcliffe came over well below the standard set by the others. '"
The two that offered a real insight were Trent Robinson and Grant Millington. The detail from both was eye-opening.
It would be great to see the Leeds coach in that situation.
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Sinfield had one good game against the Aussies at hooker in 2001. I think the Aussies had just got off the plane after cancelling the tour a few weeks prior? Mike Forshaw was scrum half IIRC... says it all really.
Sinfield has never been international class. You know that deep down even if it is difficult to acknowledge because in doing so, it is seen as disrespectful to a Rhinos legend playing at the level of Super League.
We've had poor international sides for as long as I can recall but at least some of our players have made an international impact... Schofield, Hanley, Graham, Burgess, Sculthorpe, Fielden (until he was chinned by Mason), etc.
Presenting the bloke with a Golden Boot for skippering England to a series win against Wales and France was embarrassing at worst and a joke at best. Some proprietor of League and Union magazines wished to flog a few thousand more of his stock.
When that critical moment arrived with just a few minutes to go in a World Cup semi final at Wembley, Sinfield as skipper, organiser and tactical kicker bottled it. He couldn't handle the pressure. And I'm not talking about gifting Shaun Johnson an opportunity for a skip and a jink to the try line either. It's was Sinfield's brainfart prior to that which created the conditions and circumstances for the defeat.'"
I feel i can talk without my Blue and amber glasses on, and most of what you have written i actually agree with believe it or not. I did say at the start on the whole his international career was a let down.However, He was MOM in a game vs a NZ side who were World Champions at the time in a tri nations a few years back and held his own in several other games if not excelling . How many times too has he been the scape goat when the England side has been battered off the park up front by the Aussie pack and ripped to threads on the fringes, in teams constantly on the back foot? if England would have have had a Lockyer or Thurston in those sides instead of Sinfield would the scoreline have been so much different? i dont think so personally. The sides Schofield and Hanley played in between 88-95 were the best squads GB have had since the early 70s when we could actually beat the Aussies in series and WC's so i don't agree they played in poor teams and they are the only real play makers you would say have made a real mark in the past 40 years , i would maybe at a push stick Andy Gregory in there but that is it.
The Golden Boot, well all i will say is i think he deserved it as much as Farell did in 2004, make of that what you will.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"
Now this may have been due to nerves or not as the case maybe but his comment shows the option he would have taken which has been rather like his play to date just moving the ball on with little variety. So my comment is valid.
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What an odd comment to make re Sutcliffe's play. It was only last week in Perpignan where two short attacking kicks in to the in-goal led to two Leeds tries. The second a virtual carbon copy of the one Lilley put in V Huddersfield.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"What an odd comment to make re Sutcliffe's play. It was only last week in Perpignan where two short attacking kicks in to the in-goal led to two Leeds tries. The second a virtual carbon copy of the one Lilley put in V Huddersfield.'"
It was Sutcliffe who said he would have passed!
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"The two that offered a real insight were Trent Robinson and Grant Millington. The detail from both was eye-opening.
It would be great to see the Leeds coach in that situation.'"
Yes it showed just how much thought and detail goes into a top coaches game plan. Pity the players cannot always stick to it. Even the Cowboys the other week had a coach cum water boy on the field for a lot of time passing on instructions.
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| Can't recall what Sutcliffe said precisely at the screen but your comment above was that Sutcliffe is just moving the ball along with little variation - and that seems an odd observation to make when in the previous game he showed some variety when he created the opportunity for two Leeds tries through little kicks into the in-goal just as Lilley did for one on Friday.
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| Quote leedsnsouths="leedsnsouths"Thurstons breakout year was when he was 23, so was Cronks, lets see what Lilly's skill set is then, or is he already written off in your eyes?
Regaurding Sinfield, its a bit stupid to say you cant rate him as an all time great because he didnt play in the NRL, was Stacey Jones not a great because he never played origin?
Like I said previously, there is noone who has had a particualry good international career for England as the team was poorly coached and players were pushed in and out and into different positions
the fact he has caps at 6, 7, 9. 12, and 13 shows that
Yet, he still managed to captain his country, get a decent amount of caps, and become England highest EVER points scorer so it wasnt too shabby eh?'"
Lilley has some talent - he lacks pace as did Sinfield - does he have the core skill set to combat that - in SL possibly.
Thurston played origin when he was 23 he had already played 50 NRL games by that point.
Stacey Jones made his name in the NRL - how can you say someone is an all time great when they are playing a lesser quality competition. Winning lots of caps in a sub standard side doesn't make you a great player neither does being the captain of a poor side. Peter Lorimer won loads of caps for Scotland did that make him a great player?
Sinfield has been a great SL player but to suggest his is in the class of Lockyer, Johns, Smith etc is unrealistic.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Can't recall what Sutcliffe said precisely at the screen but your comment above was that Sutcliffe is just moving the ball along with little variation - and that seems an odd observation to make when in the previous game he showed some variety when he created the opportunity for two Leeds tries through little kicks into the in-goal just as Lilley did for one on Friday.'"
I missed the Catalan game as I was at Alicante airport at the time but what you describe is the exception rather than the rule so far this season IMO
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Sinfield had one good game against the Aussies at hooker in 2001. I think the Aussies had just got off the plane after cancelling the tour a few weeks prior? Mike Forshaw was scrum half IIRC... says it all really.
Sinfield has never been international class. You know that deep down even if it is difficult to acknowledge because in doing so, it is seen as disrespectful to a Rhinos legend playing at the level of Super League.
We've had poor international sides for as long as I can recall but at least some of our players have made an international impact... Schofield, Hanley, Graham, Burgess, Sculthorpe, Fielden (until he was chinned by Mason), etc.
Presenting the bloke with a Golden Boot for skippering England to a series win against Wales and France was embarrassing at worst and a joke at best. Some proprietor of League and Union magazines wished to flog a few thousand more of his stock.
When that critical moment arrived with just a few minutes to go in a World Cup semi final at Wembley, Sinfield as skipper, organiser and tactical kicker bottled it. He couldn't handle the pressure. And I'm not talking about gifting Shaun Johnson an opportunity for a skip and a jink to the try line either. It's was Sinfield's brainfart prior to that which created the conditions and circumstances for the defeat.'"
Another clearly troll post
One aussie commentator even said when he won the golden boot that if he was born in Aus he would have been Aus captain (believe it was Vossy)
He got stepped by Shawn Johnson and only rushed up because there was an overlap outside that he was trying to shut down, it would have been a try anyway
Did GI, Greg Bird, Cooper Cronk, and Gallen all bottle it when they got stepped by him at the 4 nations? (with no overlap outside btw)
The circumstances were not his fault but instead a George Burgess penalty, I dont even know what your hinting at
You fail to mention in the same game that he had a try assist and 3 line break assists
Putting all his international career down to that moment is ridiculous, has Slater had a poor international career because he cost his team a world cup?
Why dont you go back to comenting FAKE on youtube videos ey? 
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