unfortunately do have nearly 17 donaldsons of bang average players , donno did a job yrs ago then should have been thanks but no thanks, same with bodene thompson then stayed past his sell by date
we've 3 good players newman , holroyd an oledzski and 2 are always injured

Someone wrote “ you can see what smith is trying to achieve but the players just aren’t up to it”

I’ve been to every home game and I have no idea what smith is trying to achieve. We concede at least 50 Myra in every set the opposition has the ball. We have to score a try from 70m out. We have zero line speed. We make no attempt to contain the opposition in their own half, let alone their own 20m. Please explain what he is trying to do because I have no clue. Thanks.

Oledzki is massively overrated, just my opinion mind. The only enforcer we seem to have is Holroyd.

Is Donaldson good enough for Leeds, no, but he’s a blood to water type of player. Maybe I didn’t explain fully.

The worrying thing for me is Smith is suggesting keeping the OOC overseas players. His player judgement looks flawed as do his team selections and tactics.

Something has to change otherwise we are just doing what Einstein suggested was the definition of madness.

Smith is not a good coach and you need to act quickly

If anybody still thinks this guy should remain our coach , then after today ,you are deluded . Unfortunately todays performance only substantiated what I said several weeks ago - he is out of his depth.
His tactics ( passive defence etc ) have been worked out by every team , his team selection has been all over the place , getting rid of 2 attacking hookers to keep 2 plodders was crazy , and now finally the players have given up on him. All those pleading his case due to all our injuries, must accept the reality after today - we couldn`t beat a team with 2 trialists and a man short for 35 minutes who also had a load of injuries.
Accept the facts - RS has to go now. The GH situation is another debate .

He needs to go. He won't of course, and GH won't push him yet.

When your team is under performing, when none of the players are developing, when the team is consistently making basic unforced errors, when your attack seems aimless and disjointed you have to look at the coach.

The coach is the most important acquisition and yet again we're suffering from GH going for the cheap option. It's one of the main reasons why Saints have been so successful for so long - they go for talented blokes who, even though they're sometimes shortish term, they're successful and they leave a mark on the culture of the club and the development of the players.

Smith was an untested at the top level gamble and so far it’s not paying off at all… the clock is ticking. Worst performance in SL for at least 15 years yesterday and one win in 7 now.. something needs change quickly

Blaming injuries and the fact they aren't Smith's players when you've just lost to one of the worst ever SL teams playing half the game with 12 men?

When do constant, repeated individual errors become a coaching issue? When does players shooting the line stop being an individual issue and become a coaching structure issue?

I think some are kidding themselves with Smith. I hope I'm wrong as I quite like him, but he and his team give off strong vibes of him not being up to it.

Felt a daft appointment at the time and is starting to look one now.

That said, Leeds recruitment has been absolutely diabolical for a while now and that is all about GH and his side of the business (whether directly, or indirectly through who he has tasked with the role). That deficiency in development has also hampered smooth progression of some of the more talented young players who are carrying the side at times rather than slotting in alongside experienced players worthy of a Leeds shirt.

agree with all that. he looked like a rabbit in the headlights yesterday. he is simply out of his depth

Agree FearTheVee. The coach is such an important role, I've seen in football for Leeds Utd what differences poor coaches make and their effects on players.

I must admit, when i saw some behind the scenes footage of Smith giving a pre match team talk a few weeks ago i was less than impressed, he seemed a bit wet...

We should've kicked on as soon as the French lad was sent off. They were there for the taking and we got dragged into a dog fight that only one side was up for. Completely embarrassing.

Looking from the outside, after the event, I'm sure the effort expended in the Saints game can be blamed for the aftermath. Every team treats a game against the champions (not just Saints, but whoever are the previous season champions) as their cup final. trying to lay down a mark. All the pundits, the coach and most of the fans applauded them for that effort. However, more injuries were picked up in that game, looked spent the following weak against Cas resulting in a loss. Quite a few said the close defeat to Saints will have given them confidence, losing to Cas would have removed all that. So come Wakefield, now missing some important players, now low on confidence, they were unable to lift the intensity when Wakefield went down to 12 men.

That’s far too sensible for here!

We should have been two tries up before Wakey got on the board. The Saints game IMO can be partly responsible for the flat performance against Cas but not yesterday. There should have been a response and unfortunately, there wasn't.

16 errors again - Like some have already said what is our plan? We don't look like we have one. I get that if we cut the errors down that will go a long way to making us look better. For me, we need to look at the players we have and adapt a style accordingly. Players like Mcdonnell, Bentley, O'Connor, etc are more suited to a structured style built on the back of good defense, not this eyes-up stuff.