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| Quote: tad rhino "i just think he looked far more comfortable on the right. put ablett to the left and move him across'"
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Is this the same Hardaker some people have been touting as a possible stand off in the future for us?
Not looking good for him in that position if he can't pass both ways is it......
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| Quote: RossRhino "Is this the same Hardaker some people have been touting as a possible stand off in the future for us?
Not looking good for him in that position if he can't pass both ways is it......'"
Nope  ....but there's still time I guess: he's still only young.
For now I'm def in the camp of (at the very least) moving him to Right Centre. |
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| Hardaker still has a lot of developing and improvement in him for sure and will progress throughout the next few years 
Senior as fantastic as he has been doesn't improve the 17 IMO so time to move on. |
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Hardaker is still very young,perhaps he has been overhyped which is not his fault.
Could his best position be full back?.
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Full back might be Hardaker`s best position.
But if he is having problems passing to his winger or to anyone infact.
I am not sure what qualities he would bring to FB when joining the line to send a pass out wide to his winger like Webb does.
All we will see his ability to join the line and maybe break a tackle and go through to the try line himself.
There will be many times when the move breaks down due to him not breaking the defensive line.
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Alot of OTT ramblings about Zak's passing ability.
He's very raw with alot of improvement to do. His rise has been quick and he's holding his own. No-one backs Zak more than himself, he's a cocky lad. Alot of these occasions where he doesn't pass comes from confidence to want to stride with the ball and bounce off and carry out these quick feeted breaks he makes look easy.
I'm sure he and the coaching staff are aware and alot of things come down to decision making, knowing when to look etc. The end result of how he will be moulded only time will tell. But he's doing alot right in the here-and now, let's not forget that.
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Spot on Bloodbath.
Also making a pass decision is far harder at centre than at full back, so the comparison isn't valid really.
People have complained about the lack of youngsters being given a shot in the first team, well Hardaker is a youngster being given a shot in the first team. For some bizarre reason people seem to expect him to be a world class centre in his first real season playing there.
We have some very strange fans.
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| Quote: thebloodbath "Alot of OTT ramblings about Zak's passing ability.
He's very raw with alot of improvement to do. His rise has been quick and he's holding his own. No-one backs Zak more than himself, he's a cocky lad. Alot of these occasions where he doesn't pass comes from confidence to want to stride with the ball and bounce off and carry out these quick feeted breaks he makes look easy.
I'm sure he and the coaching staff are aware and alot of things come down to decision making, knowing when to look etc. The end result of how he will be moulded only time will tell. But he's doing alot right in the here-and now, let's not forget that.'"
Spot on bloodbath.
Just in contrast as we do have the other threads going on about Senior. But up until his injury last season Senior only had 3 assists and 4 tries. Hardacker has 2 assists and 11 tries. I honestly can't see too much what he is doing wrong. |
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| Quote: Gotcha "Spot on bloodbath.
Just in contrast as we do have the other threads going on about Senior. But up until his injury last season Senior only had 3 assists and 4 tries. Hardacker has 2 assists and 11 tries. I honestly can't see too much what he is doing wrong.'"
Are you looking at a Head-2-Head between Hardaker & Senior over the 2011 Season? |
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "
Part of the reason I raised this whole non-passing thing early in the season was because I can't recall seeing a centre who started off being unable/unwilling to pass developing into a really good winger's centre. Is it lack of ability or is Hardaker perhaps one of those players who simply can't play on the 'wrong' side of the field?'"
Senior wasn't great in this area early on in his career, Atkins has improved out of sight in this area since going to Warrington. Chris Bridge is very good at put his winger away and he only started playing the position a few years ago. Even Chev Walker improved massivly in this area. However I'm not sure McDermott and Lowes are good enough to help Hardaker improve this part of his game. To be fair to Hardaker he seems to be carrying an injury I noticed his hamstring has been strapped for the last few games. He also seems to be naturally left footed/handed so it might be a good idea to move him to left centre where he may find it easier to get on the outside of his man using his left foot step. |
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "Senior wasn't great in this area early on in his career, Atkins has improved out of sight in this area since going to Warrington. Chris Bridge is very good at put his winger away and he only started playing the position a few years ago. Even Chev Walker improved massivly in this area. However I'm not sure McDermott and Lowes are good enough to help Hardaker improve this part of his game. To be fair to Hardaker he seems to be carrying an injury I noticed his hamstring has been strapped for the last few games. He also seems to be naturally left footed/handed so it might be a good idea to move him to left centre where he may find it easier to get on the outside of his man using his left foot step.'"
That's why I'm suggesting, maybe, bring Senior in to Mentor him and fill in where needed. |
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| Quote: Middleton_Loiner "That's why I'm suggesting, maybe, bring Senior in to Mentor him and fill in where needed.'"
Get real. Senior wants the position for himself, not to help some kid do him out of a (non-existent) 2 year contract. |
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| Quote: Exeter Rhino "Get real. Senior wants the position for himself, not to help some kid do him out of a (non-existent) 2 year contract.'"
Hardaker will be moved to Fullback and Senior will move to Centre. |
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Quote: Gotcha "Spot on bloodbath.
Just in contrast as we do have the other threads going on about Senior. But up until his injury last season Senior only had 3 assists and 4 tries. Hardacker has 2 assists and 11 tries. I honestly can't see too much what he is doing wrong.'"
I thought you didn't do stats?
The cumulative Hardaker stats on the Stobart site www.superleague.co.uk/player/10800 are wholly inaccurate at present - they're reporting both 11 SL Reg Rd Appearances and 13 SL Reg Rd Appearances next to each other and in any case he's played in all 14 so far this season.
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The try and assist counts are accurate - if you believe the Opta assist is ever truely accurate.
His two try assists (if anyone wants to review their quality) came against Widnes in Rd 4 and Castleford in Rd 5. The one at Widnes came after a five metre run out of dummy half and an inside pass to the supporting Burrow to jink over from twenty. In the build up he did actual pass the ball to Hall for Hall to make the initial break. He didn't try and commit defenders, beat a man back on the inside off his predictable left foot step he simply shipped the ball onto Hall who had six or seven metres to work with and made a fifty metre break off of it. Perhaps there is a lesson in that for Hardaker to take on board it's not as if he's got a Tom Bush or even a Francis Cummins stood alongside him. Come on it's Ryan Hall.
At Castleford he gave a quick instinctive pass to the unmarked Hall for a second half walk-in hat-trick try. That would indicate Hardaker can do it but he has held on in fairly identical situations since (one at Hull springs to mind) which is frustrating. |
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Quote: Gotcha "Spot on bloodbath.
Just in contrast as we do have the other threads going on about Senior. But up until his injury last season Senior only had 3 assists and 4 tries. Hardacker has 2 assists and 11 tries. I honestly can't see too much what he is doing wrong.'"
I thought you didn't do stats?
The cumulative Hardaker stats on the Stobart site www.superleague.co.uk/player/10800 are wholly inaccurate at present - they're reporting both 11 SL Reg Rd Appearances and 13 SL Reg Rd Appearances next to each other and in any case he's played in all 14 so far this season.
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The try and assist counts are accurate - if you believe the Opta assist is ever truely accurate.
His two try assists (if anyone wants to review their quality) came against Widnes in Rd 4 and Castleford in Rd 5. The one at Widnes came after a five metre run out of dummy half and an inside pass to the supporting Burrow to jink over from twenty. In the build up he did actual pass the ball to Hall for Hall to make the initial break. He didn't try and commit defenders, beat a man back on the inside off his predictable left foot step he simply shipped the ball onto Hall who had six or seven metres to work with and made a fifty metre break off of it. Perhaps there is a lesson in that for Hardaker to take on board it's not as if he's got a Tom Bush or even a Francis Cummins stood alongside him. Come on it's Ryan Hall.
At Castleford he gave a quick instinctive pass to the unmarked Hall for a second half walk-in hat-trick try. That would indicate Hardaker can do it but he has held on in fairly identical situations since (one at Hull springs to mind) which is frustrating. | |
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