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Quote: Andy Gilder "
I normally like the #AskTheRef sessions, but I thought last night's was conducted entirely from the angle of "I was right, and I'm going to find an excuse as to why I was" by both Child and Bentham.
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Agreed - an interesting response was when JC said he allowed Ben Westwood an incorrect play of the ball because Moon was interfering, so would have been penalty anyway.
I'd argue that an incorrect PTB negates the advantage as it's a penalty in itself so it should shoudn't have been play on.
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Quote: Andy Gilder "
I normally like the #AskTheRef sessions, but I thought last night's was conducted entirely from the angle of "I was right, and I'm going to find an excuse as to why I was" by both Child and Bentham.
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Agreed - an interesting response was when JC said he allowed Ben Westwood an incorrect play of the ball because Moon was interfering, so would have been penalty anyway.
I'd argue that an incorrect PTB negates the advantage as it's a penalty in itself so it should shoudn't have been play on.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "If the on-field referee does give his call, he must be turning his microphone off before he does and then back on again afterwards. Very rarely do you hear them express an opinion to the VR, presumably for fear of influencing the decision making process.
I normally like the #AskTheRef sessions, but I thought last night's was conducted entirely from the angle of "I was right, and I'm going to find an excuse as to why I was" by both Child and Bentham.
In the space of two answers, the latter went from saying BoD should be used where a try was "feasible" to when it was "likely" - big gap between those two sets of circumstances IMO.'"
Yep, you never hear them say 'In my opinion, it is/isn't' they just specify what they want looking at & it then becomes the opinion of the video referee that is the basis for the decision.
All the evidence showed Ian Smith got the Menzies no try decision wrong, yet another howler from him. |
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The consistency within the same game is awful and the the week after the same officials do things differently again!!
Until theres some serious accountabillity for their performances and they aren't allowed to waffle and Bull###t when questioned abut poor calls it will continue.
Like AG said even now after the events they insist they're right or come up with some long winded waffle to try and justify a clear error!!
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "
And me being an Evertonian from when it was known as the "School of Science" (in the 60s)- no excuses really...
...still reckon that pass was 5 yards forward... 
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| Quote: rhinoms "The consistency within the same game is awful and the the week after the same officials do things differently again!!
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Do you not think they may have been told they got it wrong in first instance, so change their interpretation for the next game? Doesn't help with 'consistency' but at least they're trying to adapt to criticism.
..... just read that back and it scarily looks like I'm supporting officials ..... I must be getting old! |
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| Quote: BogBrushHead "Do you not think they may have been told they got it wrong in first instance, so change their interpretation for the next game? Doesn't help with 'consistency' but at least they're trying to adapt to criticism...... just read that back and it scarily looks like I'm supporting officials ..... I must be getting old!'"
If so then why not admit the mistakes and stick to how the call "Should" be made??
Its different week in week out though for E.G how they police the ptb imo IF you are going to penalise the ptb just once then it has to be the same for both teams for the full 80 across the board and i dont think its unreasonable for Teams to see the Ref before a game and expect him to run the game the same as the week before where applicable!
There's far too much scope for them to wriggle out of poor calls and again no repurcussions when it turns into a farce call ala Bentham with BOD. |
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| Quote: BogBrushHead "You should, then remember the Brothers McGregor explaining things perfectly with the 'chip paper out the sunroof' .....
Car going 30 mph passing pedestrian walking in the same direction at 4 mph ..... driver, having eaten his chips, throws his scrunched up chip paper out of cars sunroof and sees it clearly in his mirror travelling backwards towards the pavement ..... but the bloke walking along the pavement clearly feels the chip paper hit him on the back of the head as it travels forwards at over 20 mph ..... and they are both right! Just depends where you're positioned and what speed you're travelling at! ![]()
The example I like is in the old black and white newsreel footage looking down through the bomb bay of a WWII bomber as the bombs are released.
As the bombs fall away from the 'plane you can still see them framed by the bomb-bay doors, not overtaking and not disappearing behind the plane.
The 'plane hasn't suddenly slowed or become stationary in the air, so the bombs must still be travelling forward at the same speed as the 'plane.
This continuance of forward motion after release is commonly, but erroneously, described as being due to momentum.
It is actually due to inertia.
Inertia is what keeps the object moving forward until some other force is applied to that object.
Inertia is also what keeps a stationary object stationary until some other force is applied to that object.
The chip paper and the bomb both continue forward due to inertia.
Momentum is mass x velocity and is a measurement of the amount and direction of force that is required to slow/stop/change direction the moving object.
The chip paper (travelling slower and having less mass than the bomb) will have less momentum and therefore require less force to stop/slow/change its direction.
Which is why the pedestrian will be unharmed by the chip paper hitting the back of his head but would get a substantially greater clout from a bomb.
I hope that's clear and, if so, I may forward this to Stevo.
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| Must be rough 'round your neck of the woods if people are chucking bombs at the back of your head  |
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| Quote: BogBrushHead "Must be rough 'round your neck of the woods if people are chucking bombs at the back of your head ![]()
T'would indeed.
But, round here, people don't throw chip paper out of the sunroof either.
Sunroof? In Calderdale? ... now there's a laugh. 
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Benefit of the doubt clearly doesn't extend to grounding the ball with the forearm, obviously.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "The example I like is in the old black and white newsreel footage looking down through the bomb bay of a WWII bomber as the bombs are released.
As the bombs fall away from the 'plane you can still see them framed by the bomb-bay doors, not overtaking and not disappearing behind the plane.
The 'plane hasn't suddenly slowed or become stationary in the air, so the bombs must still be travelling forward at the same speed as the 'plane.
This continuance of forward motion after release is commonly, but erroneously, described as being due to momentum.
It is actually due to inertia.
Inertia is what keeps the object moving forward until some other force is applied to that object.
Inertia is also what keeps a stationary object stationary until some other force is applied to that object.
The chip paper and the bomb both continue forward due to inertia.
Momentum is mass x velocity and is a measurement of the amount and direction of force that is required to slow/stop/change direction the moving object.
The chip paper (travelling slower and having less mass than the bomb) will have less momentum and therefore require less force to stop/slow/change its direction.
Which is why the pedestrian will be unharmed by the chip paper hitting the back of his head but would get a substantially greater clout from a bomb.
I hope that's clear and, if so, I may forward this to Stevo.'"
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Benefit of the doubt clearly doesn't extend to grounding the ball with the forearm, obviously.'"
Haven't seen replays since the game, but to me I can't see what the difference was between the try awarded to Watkins & the McGuire no try. |
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "Haven't seen replays since the game, but to me I can't see what the difference was between the try awarded to Watkins & the McGuire no try.'"
There was seperation between mcguires hands and the ball. Watkins kept fingertips on the ball untill it was grounded.
Mcguire grounded the ball with his forearm after clear seperation with his hands. |
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| Watkins grounded the ball with his hand, McGuire didnt. According to Cummings on sky commentary forearm isn't sufficient, it has to be downward pressure with the hand not arm  |
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| Quote: RossRhino "Watkins grounded the ball with his hand, McGuire didnt. According to Cummings on sky commentary forearm isn't sufficient, it has to be downward pressure with the hand not arm ![]()
Actually what he said was, and I never knew this rule, was that if the ball leaves the hand it has to be regained in the hand to constitute control. Of course from a kick a try can be scored with downward pressure of the forearm.
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