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Quote: Andy Gilder "Seriously?

We're taking a pass from first receiver as a key contribution to tries that happen on the other side of the field now?

That's about as big an agenda driven piece of bullhonkey as I've ever read. Both tries owed much, much more to the handling ability of Watkins than anything Burrow may have contributed very early in the move.'"


Ha. Two routine passes that subsequently went through respectively four and six pairs of hands before a try was scored, and a miskick off the side of the boot are evidence for how good a game Burrow had, yet it's others who have agendas. Surprised no credit was given for Rob's role in McShane's first try, where he handled the ball two tackles before the score.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Seriously?

We're taking a pass from first receiver as a key contribution to tries that happen on the other side of the field now?

That's about as big an agenda driven piece of bullhonkey as I've ever read. Both tries owed much, much more to the handling ability of Watkins than anything Burrow may have contributed very early in the move.'"


Yes seriously!

For most of our recent successful run in SL Sinfield McGuire and Burrow have drawn defenders and made space at first receiver for tries out wide that otherwise would not have been made. So why now is this not an important contribution.

For the Foster try, Burrow was at acting half back and his DH run did not go down a "blind alley" but drew defenders and his pass created space for the movement to continue.

Burrows critics constantly harp on about his lateral running, but forget that this has always been a feature of his play. Of course excellent handling from Watkins etc was important but not more than the classy wing play of BJB. But my point is Burrows was being accused of "trundling" into blind alleys which is agenda driven nonsense. Yes he made a couple of handling errors but was involved more than any other player for Leeds and his overall contribution was very positive in what were difficult conditions.

His lateral running last night did draw defenders, find gaps and put men into space. Further more he made breaks and backed up at pace. He was up with play and available at DH when McShane was elsewhere. Have a look at the VIT

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The kick for JPs try was misdirected off the outside of his boot - Hall made a poor kick into a good opportunity for Peacock.'"


Come on! This was a well practiced move with the kick, not for the first time, from Burrow but usually from Sinfield.


Quote: Sal Paradise "Is McShane's inability to get to the PTB a lack of game awareness or a lack of fitness? '"


Don't know but its a worry.

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Quote: craigizzard "Ha. Two routine passes that subsequently went through respectively four and six pairs of hands before a try was scored, and a miskick off the side of the boot are evidence for how good a game Burrow had, yet it's others who have agendas. Surprised no credit was given for Rob's role in McShane's first try, where he handled the ball two tackles before the score.'"


I see you are submitting your opinion as evidence. Please explain the "miskick off the side of the boot" theory?

I will give credit to McShane for his 2 tries.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Come on! This was a well practiced move with the kick, not for the first time, from Burrow but usually from Sinfield.


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I suggest you look at it again. No team practises a 6th tackle kick from the 20 yard line that's supposed to land 15 metres out with a world of work to do for a try to be scored. The kick was obviously supposed to land far closer to the goal-line but was a miskick plain and simple, well done to Hall and Peacock for making something of it.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I will give credit to McShane for his 2 tries.'"


That's big of you.

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On Burrow’s lateral running, I do agree he often runs up blind alleys, but last night it seemed to be a set ploy that actually worked a couple of times with Sinfield picking up from dummy half, a quick run around with Peacock before shifting it wide to Burrow whose lateral running game him the option of putting a flat pass on for a forward, a quick duck and step back inside for himself or spreading wide to the three quarters. Burrow does often go up a blind alley, and does often slow a move down, but sometimes its part of a structure and the reason that play doesn’t come off isn’t down to him (we seemed a step of on all our moves and passes and dummy runs last night) That said i would have had him MoM

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Come on! This was a well practiced move with the kick, not for the first time, from Burrow but usually from Sinfield.


Was the pass that went 5 yards forward from Burrow in the first half a well practiced move too?
Seemed similar to the well practiced kick to Hall that one icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Gotcha "
Thought.....Hall.....poor,'"

We must watch different games. I thought he was superb. Couldn't be held, bumped the first tackler every time. Made excellent yards and got a tonne of work done. I'll be very interested in his metres. There was one clearing set that went through Hall BJB and Watkins and we were on the 50 metre line. Very impressed with all the threequarters.

I just don't get the attitude Leeds fans have towards Burrow. The ball he kicked las night was straight into the wingers hands. Straight into them. Yet this is a mis-kick that should have been directed elsewhere. Re-e-eally?

He made a couple of poor passes but was a danger every time he touched the ball, as he has been mostly since filling in for McGuire. There's no doubt our attack has been far more potent with him and his pace at 7.

He's a threat whenever he touches the ball which was very often last night.

He gets MOM awards but that is dismissed as Sky being idiots or whoever awards them at Leeds being idiots.

I suspect some posters made their mind up that Burrow had a bad game because they saw his forward pass from Sinfield's break and his inside pass be intercepted so that is that. A bit like posters decided someone had a great game because they scored a try. They were then a little embarrassed when they saw he got MOM.

One player who I thought was very poor (but nobody has mentioned) was Kylie. He got in the way of Sinfield's pass that would have led to a lovely break, ducked out of a run that made one of Burrow's passes look poor (no doubt picked up as a Burrow error by many) and generally seemed a bit lacking of his usual oomph in the collision.

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In games like last night Danny Mc Guire usually seemed to come up with the goods. Either making a break or supporting the man with the ball. I thought his absence would not affect us in the grand scheme of things, unless things change I looked to be proven wrong.
I just hope we are not jinxed this season, watching delaney come off injured I thought here we go again, then foster collides with the post. We seem off the pace at the moment, defending we look strong then we clock off and let in simple try's . Come play off time who knows what will happen, you would not bet against us nor would you put the family silver on us winning the thing again. It's going to be deadly fascinating at these games.

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Quote: Backwoodsman "In games like last night Danny Mc Guire usually seemed to come up with the goods.'"
Yup. And games against Cas. And Salford.

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Quote: G1 "

I just don't get the attitude Leeds fans have towards Burrow. The ball he kicked las night was straight into the wingers hands. Straight into them. Yet this is a mis-kick that should have been directed elsewhere. Re-e-eally?

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Well, yes.

Watching the try AGAIN, Hall stops his run dead when he figures out the kick is going barely any distance forward. It can be both a mis-hit kick and end up in the winger's bucket, and that's what it was. It depends how the winger alters his run.

No big deal, and nothing against Burrow there. Kickers hit imperfect kicks all the time. The problem was with it being directly cited as evidence of some sort of deliberate, practised, perfectly executed skill.

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Quote: G1 "

One player who I thought was very poor (but nobody has mentioned) was Kylie. He got in the way of Sinfield's pass that would have led to a lovely break, ducked out of a run that made one of Burrow's passes look poor (no doubt picked up as a Burrow error by many) and generally seemed a bit lacking of his usual oomph in the collision.'"


I did mention that Kylie was poor, along with Ablett, Kirke and Clarkson, but the conditions made it a really tough night for forwards especially those in their mid-30s, not that that stopped JP. Foster put some of his more experienced pack colleagues to shame with the effort he put in, though that might be what comes of playing for a place. He looks a good prospect.

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Quote: craigizzard "I suggest you look at it again. No team practises a 6th tackle kick from the 20 yard line that's supposed to land 15 metres out with a world of work to do for a try to be scored. The kick was obviously supposed to land far closer to the goal-line but was a miskick plain and simple, well done to Hall and Peacock for making something of it.'"


You have no idea what Leeds or any other SL side practice and will say anything rather than give Burrow some credit. Hall didn't overrun the ball and rose to knock it back as he so often does. You kick it to where the winger has the best chance of catching or knocking it back.

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