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| Quote: Gotcha " But resting a player when the team is strong, and ensuring that player is always at his peak, is wrong in your world.*'"
*Edited for crazy stuff/insults.
The team which has followed McDermott's methodology has won the last two Grand Finals. The teams that follow the one you're proposing haven't. You're in conflict with reality. When that reality alters, get back to me. In the meantime I can only assume your arguments must be based on an irrational prejudice towards McDermott.
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| Quote: Fetlar "The same could apply to a player who'd had a few weeks rest and wasn't up to match speed upon his return...
Ultimately it's a question of who is in the best position to determine a player's fitness
So you don't actually know, you have no more idea than Gotcha - just admit it.
So you are basically saying coach knows best whilst they are winning - let's see if your views remain as resolute when they are not or whether you will turn about face as you have done on here.
The person best to judge a players fitness is the player - he is the one who has to go out there and perform. We know players are desperate to play to stop somebody else getting the opportunity to displace them long term. The job of the coach is create and environment where these insecurities are understood and managed correctly. That way players take the field in something like the condition they need to be to compete at the highest level
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| Quote: Fetlar "*Edited for crazy stuff/insults.
The team which has followed McDermott's methodology has won the last two Grand Finals. The teams that follow the one you're proposing haven't. You're in conflict with reality. When that reality alters, get back to me. In the meantime I can only assume your arguments must be based on an irrational prejudice towards McDermott.'"
They don't follow that "methodology" at all, look back at the last two seasons. Does this "methodology" also include the innovative idea of not using substitutes?
You have been show to be an hypocrite, so I will leave that one at that.
Just a final piece, just so we all know where you stand. If this great "methodology" results in no silverware this season, will you then come back and admit that you are indeed a tard?
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68506_1348769232.jpg "He's the best coach I've had... His mix of man-management and his game plan is second to none. Since Brian Mac has been in charge, we've been in every final so far. I love playing for him. I can't praise him enough, I've so much respect for him and I hope he's here for a very long time." Kevin Sinfield 29/9/12:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68506.jpg |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "So you don't actually know, you have no more idea than Gotcha - just admit it.
So you are basically saying coach knows best whilst they are winning - let's see if your views remain as resolute when they are not or whether you will turn about face as you have done on here.
The person best to judge a players fitness is the player - he is the one who has to go out there and perform. We know players are desperate to play to stop somebody else getting the opportunity to displace them long term. The job of the coach is create and environment where these insecurities are understood and managed correctly. That way players take the field in something like the condition they need to be to compete at the highest level'"
It's the balance of probabilities that Danny McGuire's injury, for example, wasn't caused by lack of fitness. Which of the injuries are you attributing to wear and tear?
The ultimate mission of a coach and a player is to win stuff. There is no question that McDermott has created an environment where his team competes at the highest level and wins trophies. If they don't win things then criticism of coaching practices might assume more validity.
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| Quote: Gotcha "They don't follow that "methodology" at all, look back at the last two seasons. Does this "methodology" also include the innovative idea of not using substitutes?
You have been show to be an hypocrite, so I will leave that one at that.
Just a final piece, just so we all know where you stand. If this great "methodology" results in no silverware this season, will you then come back and admit that you are indeed a tard?'"
When you can present a coherent argument demonstrating some acquaintance with reality, and without resorting to insults, I'll think about it.
After the bitter taste of recent success, some people around here will be delighted when this great team finally fails, just like they were barely able to contain their delight when a senior player gets an injury and is forced to make way for a younger player. Bizarre.
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| Quote: Fetlar "There is no question that McDermott has created an environment where his team competes at the highest level and wins trophies. If they don't win things then criticism of coaching practices might assume more validity.'"
This is exactly the point where I don't know if you were around pre 2011, or whether you are related to McDermott.
This "environment" was created before McDermott arrived, and yet those previous coaches did things differently.
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| Quote: Fetlar "When you can present a coherent argument demonstrating some acquaintance with reality, and without resorting to insults, I'll think about it.
I'll keep this as simple as I can.
Here's a list of some scenarios, as I see them, in order of preference:
1. Sinfield is fit, playing well for the team
2. Sinfield is fit, playing not so well for the team
3. Sinfield is injured, he rests
4. Sinfield is injured, everyone runs around like headless chickens because the end is nigh.
Based on recent experience I reject:
2.a. Sinfield is fit, playing not so well for the team, rest him
On the basis that this team appear to have derived a psychological edge in big games by working through their periods of less great form on the pitch. Whether this will work this season - who knows? Other teams develop their own formulas for success which may exceed our own. What is not sensibly in dispute is that McDermott's formula has worked until now.
No hypocrisy, no contradiction.
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| McDermott confirmed in the YEP that Kylie wont be available tonight. So Sinfield and Kylie to drop out of the 19 which already had 3 wingers (BJB, Hall and Minns), with Moon and Keinhorst to centres is there any need in having a winger on the bench?? BJB has stated that he is smashing his PBs in training so it sounds like he will be fit enough for a full 80. Another academy lad to be called up maybe, otherwise having Minns on the bench would be a complete waste unless Keinhorst does a shift in the back row.
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| Quote: RhinoNeil "McDermott confirmed in the YEP that Kylie wont be available tonight. So Sinfield and Kylie to drop out of the 19 which already had 3 wingers (BJB, Hall and Minns), with Moon and Keinhorst to centres is there any need in having a winger on the bench?? BJB has stated that he is smashing his PBs in training so it sounds like he will be fit enough for a full 80. Another academy lad to be called up maybe, otherwise having Minns on the bench would be a complete waste unless Keinhorst does a shift in the back row.'"
Minns can also play back rower. Remember he isn't actually a winger.
That said, I agree with the point you are making.
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| I know it's not match fitness, but you have to remember that BJB has been in full training for a couple of Months now. It's only playing that he hasn't been cleared for. I don't think there'll be any problems whatsoever, apart from some rustiness.
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| I reckon they may move Moon to stand off and give Sutcliffe a spell at LF if needed.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Minns can also play back rower. Remember he isn't actually a winger.
That said, I agree with the point you are making.'"
Looks a bit light for a back rower in SL. If nobody else is drafted in I reckon Minns on the bench to come on to take centre whilst Jimmy does a stint in the back row. I reckon a surprise or two in store tonight, wouldn't surprise me if Ablett made an early return, he cant be that far off now.
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| Quote: RhinoNeil "Looks a bit light for a back rower in SL. If nobody else is drafted in I reckon Minns on the bench to come on to take centre whilst Jimmy does a stint in the back row. I reckon a surprise or two in store tonight, wouldn't surprise me if Ablett made an early return, he cant be that far off now.'"
Still got about 3 weeks left IIRC
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| The point most of us were making re-rotation and the U19's getting gametime is wrt the post season comments about rotation and the obvious blooding of youngsters in form.
No-one ever suggested we should have 10 1st choice players missing out for the younger lads to get gametime.
Just so we are clear also earlier rotation would have prevented players like Minns ,Baldwinson and to a certain extent Sutcliffe coming in cold into a team lacking form.
Injuries are part of this tough sport we all love but as has been proved the current Coach isn't unknown for playing players busted ,lack of subs or even letting them call the onfield shots (JP at Magic W/E).
I also hope these kids aren't judged on how good they may or may not be whilst playing in a decemated team.
Finally Keinhorst ,Sutcliffe ,Singleton and to a certain extent Minns have shown they won't let anyone down nor thay they are way out of their depth as some suggested they would be.
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