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Quote: Juan Cornetto "If the upgrades work then we should stick with for now. However the cost is relevant if it becomes higher than buying off the peg. I am sure the USA would sell the F22 to the RAF in the future if we needed it.'"


Fine except 1) US Law prohibits the sale of the F22 abroad and 2) an F-22 export version would have significantly fewer capabilities than the U.S. version and this could weaken the business case for an export jet and 3) the additional re-design costs would have to be incorporated into the price of the jet making them even more prohibitively expensive to acquire (considering the small quantity that would be involved this would be a considerable additional expence) and 4) the additional conversion to type costs - pilot training, maintenance service lines, integration into electronic systems etc. would also be huge for the comparitvely few 'B' spec jets bought.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "I already did comment. It is not true. My sources are pilots (but of course only a few) but the RAF/MOD policy and the Governement cuts would also imply that they too would not agree with this angry Harrier pilot who may lose his job. '"


Is Ian Smith Watson a pilot or just someone who posts his opinion on the internet for you to present as your own?

It were true in Operation Granby where the Buccaneers were needed to laser designate targets for the GR1's after they were re-tasked to medium level operations after suffering an unacceptably high attrition rate at low level but that was then and this now I guess.

When the GR4's replaced the Harriers in Afghanistan Des Browne (Defence Secretary) described Joint Force Harrier’s provision of close air support services in theatre as "Amongst the most potent of all our capabilities in deterring and denying the insurgency.” But also noting

Not quite 'in' the Falklands though is it. At 7500 Km's it would present a logistical nightmare and sortie durations would also be completely impractical in providing support to the grunts on the ground. The subs it is then if they can manage to navigate their way out of harbour without beaching themselves.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "As Defence Secretary Liam Fox has to stand up for the Military otherwise he would lose all their respect. I don't doubt the views he has expressed are genuine. But he is a right winger and a champion of the the back bench right wing, so he also is taking a political stance against the Centre Coalition thinking. So this political aspect has to be factored in to get a balanced view.

Funny you siding with a right winger! I prefer Wilf Rosenberg'"


The Nation's Security is not a left, centre or right of politics issue for me. Perhaps you will discover I'm not as left wing as you wish to portray me?

I now look forward to seeing the details of the much trumpeted but so far invisible Universal Credit proposals from the other noted right wing Tory left in the cabinet.

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For goodness sake! Are you two still at it?
You're worse than G1 & Gotcha.

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Lifted from rlthis threadrl as I don’t want this debate to dominate that thread as well.

Quote: LS16_Rhino "Agreed - It used to be a proud, hard-working, honest city. Now it's full of lazy, work-shy, good-for-nothing, idle spongers.'"


I shall stoop down to your level now shall I.. (or try to)

I remember when Leeds used to be a city that had no airs or graces about anything or anyone. Everyone was equal and we didn’t have the likes of yourself taking moral high grounds on such trivial matters as the ones you mentioned above.

I was in the Hospital some time this week (lost track of time) and do you think I went around telling the nurses to serve me before the ‘unworthy foreigners’ at 3am in the morning?

I didn’t because unlike you, I understand that I’m not better or worse than them. I’m in the same place as them so am equal. There’s a word that would suit you nicely and that’s snob. You go around telling everyone how life should be lived whilst living in the same city as them. At the same time you also have a go at the government for trying to control aspects of your own life.

You stand on the Western Terrace with fans you don’t like because of where they come from - SNOB!

You boast (and you’re not the only one) on this thread that it only took you a short while to find a job after losing your last one. Well congratulations, but it just goes to show that you know fk all about long term unemployment. Your experience of the long term unemployed is whatever is on Jeremy Kyle or in the paparazzi who do their very best to portray a majority of the long term unemployed as ‘lazy, work-shy, good-for-nothing, idle spongers’.

You’ve only experienced short term unemployment - you really don’t understand. icon_lol.gif icon_biggrin.gif

However thanks for the praise. icon_smile.gif

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and all this come about because of Wilf Rosenberg suspected of being involved with the Israeli mafia

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Quote: lionarmour87 "and all this come about because of Wilf Rosenberg suspected of being involved with the Israeli mafia'"


I think it's a conspiracy.

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Quote: Raymond Luxury-Yacht "Well said Damo - been out of work is no fun and demoralising.

Unfortunately some people do tar everyone with the same brush - it shows a lack of intelligence - just ignore them'"


Being.

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Quote: tvoc "

Whatever you claim, the Typhoon is here and here to stay as the backbone of the present and future RAF in a developing multi-role capability. It has been declared 'combat ready' in the air-to-ground role for over two years now, four have been stationed at RAF Mount Pleasant (no not Batley) in defence of the Falklands for the past 12 months and I see upwards of a dozen training flights undertaken on almost any given weekday where I live. Not forgetting the QRA interceptions when the Bears come snooping, testing our air-space.

From an enthusiast's point of view, I don't particularly like them, I much prefer the Tornado in both the F3 and GR4 variants but times move on.

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The Sunday Times published an article this weekend with the headline "4.6bn pound RAF jets scapped after 3 years" It would appear the RAF plans to axe 53 Typhoons that cost at least 4.6 billion and only became operational three years ago. A senior air force officer says "they will be approaching obsolescence by 2015"

Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell who is charge of all RAF frontline attack aircraft told Aviation Week magazine that "Tranche 1" Typhoons would not be required beyond 2015. He said the jet would become "prohibitive for us to operate" and "too expensive to modify" once Britain had taken delivery of more capable planes.

Saudi Arabia is already buying 72 aircraft originally intende for Britain and there are now plans to sell up to 15 more "Tranche 3" jets to Oman. This will leave us with just 92 of the planes.

Underlines some of the points I was making

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How's the work search going Damo, did you ever get back in touch with David after you got your glasses back following his offer of work at his company?

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Quote: batleyrhino "How's the work search going Damo, did you ever get back in touch with David after you got your glasses back following his offer of work at his company?'"


I’d rather not spend another year on here discussing my bleaker and bleaker job prospects. Hope you can respect this.

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Of course I can respect your desire not to discuss this, I wouldn't want to do anything that could lead me to be referred to as a Snob or an idiot. If you are genuinely trying to find work, then I wish you good luck in your quest.

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Quote: batleyrhino "Of course I can respect your desire not to discuss this, I wouldn't want to do anything that could lead me to be referred to as a Snob or an idiot. If you are genuinely trying to find work, then I wish you good luck in your quest.'"


You’re not a snob and certainly not an idiot 2.6708984375:10
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