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| Yes he should be in the Hall of Fame. Very few coaches leave clubs under the best of circumstances. Smith is unique in my time for leaving at the top. However they leave, you have to look at their records in total, and on that score Bluey is behind only Smith in my time.
BTW I still couldn't give a monkey's what the players think of the coach if they are winning. That was true under Smith, Bluey and will be the case for anyobody else.
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FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
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| Yes of course ,he was engaged to bring continuity of success albeit with an excellent squad ,and that is what he did 4 trophies in 3 seasons .Yes he should be in
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| Why the rush?
If the decision had to be made today then the answer should be yes. But, in ten years time we might be looking at a scenario where McDermott coached the team to four straight GF wins and his successor bagged another couple (unlikely? perhaps.). Like it or not, such a scenario would set McClennan's (notable) achievements in a slightly different context.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "
McLennan took on a successful side and at best maintained it at its previous levels - IMO Smith is ahead of him in the pecking order due to the improvement he brought both in terms of performance and results.'"
I think you have a far too rosy a view of Smith. Yes, Smith turned the team around in 2004 which was a massive acheivement given the decades of underachievement. BUT Smith failed to win silverware in 2005 when it was effectively on a plate, and presided over a very poor season in 2006 (which was far worse than 2010 under McClennan). This tends to be overlooked given the circumstances of Smith's departure, and his success in turning Warrington around.
Anyway, McClennan should be inducted IMO.
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| Bluey should be in for sure!
As has been said there are a few with short memories regarding smith. Even in 2007 we were shocking at times. It felt like Smith had lost the helm. The team needed a change and it would appear Bluey(a more personable bloke) was what was needed. the rugby we played in 2008 and was Awesome and 09 was pretty good too.
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| Quote: rhinoms "Afterall there were players that were happy to see TS leave apparently that doesn't or shouldn't cloud what success we had under his tenure.
.'" Actually, whilst there was much unsubstantiated rumour on here about what the players thought of Smith they all spoke glowingly about him after his departure unlike McLennan who few have supported whilst many have taken the opportunity to stick the boot in.
There's some truth that coaches are fortunate to inherit the squad and culture that GH has built but IMO, if you win it, you win it and to do so twice on the bounce gets McLennan my nod.
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| Quote: sgtwilko "Bluey should be in for sure!
As has been said there are a few with short memories regarding smith. '"
Possibly. Conversely, it might be that there are also some with longer memories who recall far worse times prior to his arrival.
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| its easy to speak badly of a coach if you're not starting each week or prefer a different style of coaching
bluey may not be the best technically but he could motivate any team and but some very bad luck regarding the timing of injuries could have won the cup and a third straight grand final
theres no doubt that the team has benefited from having so many great players playing at their peak at the same time which must have made winning easier so bluey really only managed their mind set and he did that brilliantly so deserves his place in the hall of fame
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| Quote: Exeter Rhino "I think you have a far too rosy a view of Smith. Yes, Smith turned the team around in 2004 which was a massive acheivement given the decades of underachievement. BUT Smith failed to win silverware in 2005 when it was effectively on a plate, and presided over a very poor season in 2006 (which was far worse than 2010 under McClennan). '" The players generally credit Smith not just with helping them to win things, but also in terms of making them much better players and improving their skill base. There is little evidence that McClennan was really into that kind of stuff. IMO the work Smith did was, and remains, critical to the subsequent success of the team.
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| Have Tony Smith's acolytes succeeded in denying Brian McClennan a place in the Hall Of Fame..... yet?
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| Quote: MjM "The players generally credit Smith not just with helping them to win things, but also in terms of making them much better players and improving their skill base. There is little evidence that McClennan was really into that kind of stuff. IMO the work Smith did was, and remains, critical to the subsequent success of the team.'"
You make a fair point. Smith has made a big impact at several clubs in SL and in each case has improved playing style and individual players.
If the Hall of Fame is purely about the winning of silverware then perhaps Bluey should be in. However, as I have previously stated, he inherited a champion quality side yet, IMO, presided over a decline in general playing standards with no improvement in our poor discipline. So you could argue that the players won the silverware despite the coach. And if this were the case then why would he deserve to be in the H of F?
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| Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Have Tony Smith's acolytes succeeded in denying Brian McClennan a place in the Hall Of Fame..... yet?'"
Looks like they are getting there...
Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "So you could argue that the players won the silverware despite the coach. And if this were the case then why would he deserve to be in the H of F?'"
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "If the Hall of Fame is purely about the winning of silverware then perhaps Bluey should be in. However, as I have previously stated, he inherited a champion quality side yet, IMO, presided over a decline in general playing standards with no improvement in our poor discipline. So you could argue that the players won the silverware despite the coach. And if this were the case then why would he deserve to be in the H of F?'" Bluey was the right person at the right time. Perhaps they won regular season games despite him but I have no doubt he played a very big part in the winning of the two titles under him - and the victory at Wigan in the 2010 playoffs which set up the potential for a third.
The 2010 cup final however was when his approach stopped paying dividends - being crap all year and not winning anything is somewhat less acceptable than being crap all year and coming up trumps at the end.
If we were to compare coaches to players, if Bluey was something of a Kevin Iro then Smith was a Kevin Sinfield.
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| Its not like Tony Smith inherited a bad team!! We finished 2nd in the League and reached the CCF the season before he took over. We may not have been a 'champion' side before Smith took over but with the talented youngsters we had it was almost inevitable we were going to win something soon.
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| Quote: jarvis12345 "Its not like Tony Smith inherited a bad team!! We finished 2nd in the League and reached the CCF the season before he took over. We may not have been a 'champion' side before Smith took over but with the talented youngsters we had it was almost inevitable we were going to win something soon.'" Turning a club of losers into a club of winners is not the simple task some would have you believed. Leeds had been "inevitable" winners of something for a long time before it became fact.
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