Of course I saw it live. Wish I hadn't though.

I've been a huge fan of McGuire for years and he'll always be a Leeds legend, more so than the likes of Schofield even, but it's time to step down before he ends up being remembered for the wrong reasons. Tonight wasn't even his worst game this year.

Kirke seemed to want the ball more this week. Shame he dropped it at least twice. Then again who didn't.
Plenty of work in the forwards but no shape or cutting edge.

Robbie Ward definitely got on as he had at least one dart and was part of the ineffectual three man Leeds tackle that failed to prevent the offload to Gaskell for the winning Bradford score. Not sure Minichella made an appearance but it's not always easy to spot the difference when he does.

The highlight was probably Jones-Buchanan aiming a 'slap' at Hardaker (I think it was) after giving away yet another all too typical Jones-Buchanan needless, pointless penalty. Needs to work on his petulant back elbow technique and how to identify the opposition - over to Brian.

Totally agree.

As I've had several double vodkas and cokes pre match I can't really recall much of the action but I'm sure Tvoc has crawled out from under his shell to call for McDermott's head again.

Whilst as I admit I can't recall the game pre-semi final too great, I do recall Tony Smith leading us into a semi against a very average Hudds team and losing quite easily. ( I await the angry retorts claiming that was different.....although I pointed it out it might stop them )

Sure the usual suspects are claiming defeat tonight as proof of what they've claimed for ages....... The demise of Leeds.

Given Sinfield is even older you will be suggesting he is also to be moved on?

And he found last nights performance, like the last 8 weeks, acceptable obviously

My take on the game. it was always going to be a struggle given the side McDermott selected. we struggle to score even with regular centres but without any where were the points going to come from? Centre is also a skilled defensive position to play Walters and Sutcliffe together was folly on McDermott's part.

Tom Briscoe has struggled for form for since April tonight was typical of the garbage he has put out on the field. Two of Bradford's tries were down to basic errors of his - shame BJB was injured I would not play Briscoe next week he was truly abysmal

The halves were poor but we have struggled here all year and that includes when Sinfield has played. Finding new half backs should be a priority our options are no longer appropriate if we want to remain a top 4 side beyond this year.

Aiton for me was a poor signing and nothing he has shown on the field has convinced me otherwise. McDermott's desire to move McShane out clouded his judgement. The same can be said of McDermott's non selection of Bailey and Clarkson

Much has been said of how good Achurch has been - maybe it is due to injuries but his form has been poor and last night was his worst game of the season.

On a positive Hardaker played well in a dreadful team performance

Why is it that coaches will never admit they have got it wrong - just for once McDermott stand up and be counted

I thought Briscoe was one of the better players until his slip for the kick on try. The first one he can hardly be blamed for, he had the ball and the bulls player knocked it out in a knock on.

McGuire and Burrow without a doubt for me have excelled in this team with the benefit of Sinfield. Never have they shown anything without Sinfield in the side, throughout their time at Leeds. They are strike players, although one has no strike left, whilst Sinfield controls the shots. There is a reason those two have never being given the controlling role.

To turn that performance round will take some effort. Luckily they have Sinfield back, but even he has a shelf life.

Not necessarily. He'll be one of the exceptions mainly because he brings so much more to the team than just his play. His actual play hasn't been that great this year though.

We must have been at different games Briscoe showed nothing last night - his perceived ability to make ground in collision was just that a perception. Far too much running sideways IMO.

The whole structure of Leeds play since 2003 has been around Sinfield controlling the plays both Burrow and McGuire have been support elements in that structure. it is no surprise that neither are capable of filling the role Sinfield does as they seldom get the opportunity to do it. Could Sinfield provide the support play to the break that McGuire has over the years not a chance - he isn't quick enough nor is his reading of the break alert enough. Could Sinfield break the line as Burrow does again not a chance his lack of pace would put paid to that. In this team different skills have been developed over the years why do many on here think these skills are easily interchangable?

The idea that both these players have ridden on the back of Sinfield's coat tail is - in my opinion - a disgraceful suggestion that I would have expected from you. Both these players have contributed hugely to the success of this team over the years. Without either of these two player perhaps Sinfield wouldn't have won as many medals and as a result nor would he be held in such high esteem by the likes of you.

Are you seriously suggesting he brings more to a team than Andrew Johns - seriously?

In certain areas (leadership, kicking), and compared to what's around him, he kind of does. That's not the same as saying he's a better player than Andrew Johns, and if we had a 32 year-old Johns then I'd want him to go round a few extra years too

I think your desire to defend McGuire there has got the benefit of you Sal. Maybe I didn't word it correctly. I agree with you on the support role, and the line breaking. The point was that neither of these players can control a game, can take a hold of it, which you agree with. So the point that a coach names a team with this in mind for them to do that shows how out of touch he was.

Without that controlling influence, neither of these players could have shown their own qualities, that was the point.